Sharing voices from the Persian diaspora and beyond. Originally founded in 2019 by Millie Efraim and Natalie Sanandaji, with the intention to share the experience of Persian-American life. The podcast has now expanded to exploring the historical and cultural background of Jews and other minorities of Iran.
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We’re friends. We’re moms. We’re having a midlife crisis. Join friends Maxine and Millie as we navigate work, parenting, and life after 40 while digging those old dreams of ours out of storage. If you’re the kind of mom who skipped the PTA meeting (who can blame you?), keeps meaning to join that book club, and wonders how old is too old to become a Rockette, you’re our kind of people. So kick off your shoes, grab a glass of wine, and join us as we reinvent this shitshow known as midlife. Bec ...
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Nature, resilience, and the sukkah as a medium: Interview with Jonathan York
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In this episode, I speak with Jonathan York, attorney and artist, at the Skirball center (apologies for any real life sound) to discuss The Sukkah Project, his exhibition at the Skirball Center in LA, opening October 8-November 3. The exhibition is the latest in a 6 year exploration, The Sukkah Project, where he has explored the Sukkah as an artist…
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Exploring the world of Jewish food in Iran with Tannaz Sassooni
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In this episode, I speak with food writer Tannaz Sassooni who is compiling recipes (one grandmother at a time) to create a cookbook of Jewish food from different cities in Iran. Tannaz sheds light on the history of Jewish-Iranian recipes, unique background behind Kashi dishes from her family's origins, and her family's migration story from Iran to …
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Interview with Danielle and Galeet Dardashti on the Nightingale of Iran
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In this episode, Danielle and Galeet Dardashti return to discuss the ending of their documentary podcast series the Nightingale of Iran, which explores and uncovers the life of their grandfather, Younes Dardashti, a famous Jewish singer in Iran. We discuss the tapes their family recorded starting from the 1950s that were used throughout the series,…
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Judeo Persian Literature with Alan Niku Pt. 2
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Alan Niku returns to the podcast to discuss another selection of Judeo-Persian writers, including poets, philosophers, and biblical commentators such as Emrānī, Baba'i ben Lotf, and Simantov Melamed. Their exploration of these writers raises questions about how Jews engaged with Sufism as Islamic rulership in Persia intensified, leading to forced c…
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Judeo Persian Literature with Alan Niku
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Judeo-Persian literature (Modern Persian written in Hebrew characters) is likely the largest untapped group within Jewish and Persian vernacular texts. Manuscripts are scattered worldwide, found in the bottoms of drawers in people's homes and some in libraries, yet they remain untranslated and largely inaccessible. Alan Niku, a filmmaker and writer…
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Interview with Matthew Nouriel: connecting Iran and Israel
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In this episode, I speak with Matthew Nouriel (sometimes known as The Empress Mizrahi) an activist, content creator, and drag queen from the Persian Jewish diaspora. Matthew is an advocate for LGBTQ+ rights, Iranians, Jews and the state of Israel. Together we discuss the connections between a free Iran and the fight against Hamas/the Islamic Republ…
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Reflections on Queen Esther with Maxine Divon
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In this episode, Maxine (from episode 3 Ancestral Healing) returns to reflect on the lessons from the Book of Esther/Purim from the Torah, which revolves around a Jewish woman in Persia named Esther who becomes Queen in the Persian Empire (5th BCE) and hides her Jewishness in order to survive. When Esther's uncle Mordecai, discovers that an officia…
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Join Maxine and Millie as they cross the pond to visit their good friend (and ghost with the most), theatre legend, Rob Falconer! Remember the time the moms went on a cruise and stayed up way past their bedtimes? Rob is the reason! They must have spoken his name three times unbroken (or maybe it’s just their shitty internet and whatever's in Rob's …
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Reclaiming Motreb: The Dardashti Family Legacy
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In this episode, Millie delves into the history of the Dardashti family with sisters Danielle and Galeet, the creators of the podcast documentary series, "The Nightingale of Iran." Unveiling the captivating saga of their grandfather, Younes Dardashti, a revered religious Jewish singer in 1950s Iran, who graced the Shah's Palace and radio with his m…
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Valentines Day, Super Bowl, and Two Exhausted Moms
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Happy 13th episode! Did we mention that 13 is Taylor’s lucky number? No, but we might be the only ones who haven't! It’s been a week. Millie’s husband is off on a wild adventure without her, leaving her solo parenting for 2 ½ weeks. Maxine is exhausted from her dream job, but excited for her oldest son to come home (before he jets off back to NYC t…
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Zar Amir Ebrahimi: Holy Spider, Life in Exile, and Iran
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Archival episode from November 25, 2022 In an independent interview, Millie Efraim speaks with Zar Amir Ebrahimi, lead actress of Holy Spider (winner, Best Actress, Cannes)— the uncompromising film noir (dir. Ali Abbasi) painting the life of a serial killer targeting prostitutes in Mashhad, about how she built her character, Islamic fanaticism vis-…
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Millie and Maxine haven’t seen each other in weeks (sad face) since Maxine got her dream job (yay!). In their first ever remote recording session they reminisce about their favorite 80s (and some 90s) flicks and Millie discovers something about Maxine she didn’t know! What’s the big discovery? And will they mention your favorite film? You’ll have t…
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In this episode, Maxine Divon shares her personal journey into the self and spirituality for a discussion about the way our ancestral history impacts us. Maxine shares from her personal experience - as a woman in the Persian Jewish community and in the business world - and from the fields she’s studied including Jungian Psychology, Ancestral Healin…
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Millie and Maxine get real about kids, dating, and kids dating. Oh wait, it’s not called “dating” anymore. It’s “talking.” Another GenZ phrase demystified – you’re welcome! What they can’t figure out is why their teens are Facetiming each other but not looking at the screen. Remember talking on the landline phone to your crush for hours until your …
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Millie’s husband is about to climb a mountain AND spend three months doing military duty. Will she survive? Will the kids survive? What about the 4 chickens, 2 dogs, 1 cat, and a choke-prone horse? We shall see. But one thing is certain, life is a lot harder for many other military spouses out there, so if you’re one of them – thank you. And speaki…
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The moms are *this* close to surviving the holidays. Hanukkah is done, and all that’s left for Maxine is to force her family into their matching pjs. Millie, on the other hand, is still trying to forgive herself for dialing in Christmas this year with Dollar Store boxes and no bows. It’s a big change from the matching wrapping paper of yesteryear. …
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Maxine and Millie had so much to tell you about their big cruise, they had to split it into two episodes! Millie treated herself to a day of pampering, which ended in a cold pedicure and a desperate plea for her husband to return early. Maxine finally got off the ferry from Hell, only to be greeted with her own real-life Titanic moment. And those a…
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The Moms Need a Vacation from their Vacation
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The Moms are back from their vacation and, damn, do they need a vacation! Maxine and Millie are ready to fill you in on the ups and downs (literally) of their big cruise. Maxine recounts her near-death experience on a shore-excursion - complete with a ferry-mutiny. Millie faces her fear of drowning by spending a leisurely 23 minutes of her life und…
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There is a Porpoise for our Mom-miage
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Besties Maxine and Millie are chomping at the bit to get to their big cruise! But first, they have a few importing things to discuss, such as: Should your highschooler have a job? Why do we assume every kid needs to go to college? Who influenced the friends the most growing up? And what could basketball, a porpoise, and the FBI have in common? You’…
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Your friends Maxine and Millie get real about parenting teenagers. From handling tough questions to learning to let their kids experience the consequences of their own actions, they bare it all in a unfiltered conversation about nurturing almost-adults. They also reflect on the strategies used by their parents, how these experiences influenced thei…
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Interview with Debbie Lechtman of Roots Metals
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PGP hosts, Millie Efraim and Natalie Sanandaji, bring on historian Debbie Lechtman to discuss the history of Ancient Judea/the Kingdom of Israel, Jewish presence in the land for the last 3000+ years, the events leading up to 1948, and what is at the core of the Israel-Palestine conflict. Debbie is a Jewish, Israeli, and Latina author, educator, con…
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Maxine and Millie send their deepest regrets on the lack of episode this week. Please accept this brief bonus content as a consolation prize. At least we didn't shoot our eyes out!بقلم Maxine & Millie
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Happy Thanksgiving! Your friends Maxine and Millie are pondering what gratitude means and how to cultivate it in their own lives without driving themselves crazy. Can they do it? We’ll have to wait and see! On the lighter side, Millie regales us with the story of the Thai Cowboy Raffle Garage Sale Birthday Party Hula Extravaganza she recently atten…
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The One Where the Moms Take On Pop Culture
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Maxine and Millie fall down the rabbit hole of pop culture: from NKOTB’s Magic Summer Tour and Travis Kelce’s new girlfriend to the tragic passing of everyone’s favorite Friend. Millie reveals the truth behind “Trick or Beer” and the moms vent about why GenZ humor is the worst. Please join us. Because a midlife crisis is more fun with friends! [00:…
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Millie and Maxine dig deep into their hopes and dreams, and why mom-guilt is the worst. They also touch on the ever-important “oat versus soy milk” debate and why it’s important to have a friend you can worry-vomit on. Today’s grab bag, “things we hate,” centers around gas-station-Brian’s sunny outlook, Millie’s mismatched kitchen appliances, and f…
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Meet Maxine and Millie, your new mom friends! Learn a little about who we are and why we thought adding a podcast to our already packed lives was a good idea. You'll hear about Millie's household menagerie (including a horse who can't eat solid food) and Maxine's husband upgrade. We’ll also reminisce about the good old days of Halloween in the 80s …
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Meet Maxine and Millie and find out why we thought the world needed yet another "midlife mom" podcast. Music: Feather Duster by Shane Ivers – https://www.silvermansound.comبقلم Maxine & Millie
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PGP returns after a 9 month hiatus (no, we did not have babies-sorry/motasefaneh). We discuss our time off the podcast and get into the unspoken, yet known standards of what is "appropriate" when attending a Persian wedding as someone who isn't yet married (so is technically single). We give our own thoughts and share what is normally expected from…
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PGP returns for an episode where they're joined by Orna Simkhai and three other Persian mothers. They share the story of how they formed We Do Care: Iranian-American Parents of LGBTQ, a community formed in 2013. Orna and her friends also share advice and discuss their own experience with their children coming out. More info on We Do Care: https://w…
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In this episode, Persian comic legend Maz Jobrani comes on PGP to discuss his path to standup and his early education and career experiences, and the ways in which it conflicted with his families expectations at the time. He also shares how he breaks the caricatures often imposed on Middle Eastern talent in Hollywood and gives insight to his approa…
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What do Persians think of the Superbowl?
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In this episode, Millie, Natalie, and Adlee, a PGP favorite [brother of Millie], discuss the end of elitism, the demoralizing superbowl halftime show and the proliferation of mass culture, St. Valentine, and Persian swinger parties. Support the showبقلم Persian Girl Podcast
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PGP answers listener submissions related to interracial relationships and how to bounce back in a relationship when you've been kept a secret and their family dislikes/disapproves of you. They also answer some questions related to physical attributes Persian women are attracted to, what cars they like to drive, and if they bring their boyfriends to…
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Kitchen Persian with Chai & Conversation's Leyla Shams
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In this episode PGP interviews Leyla Shams from Chai & Conversation, a podcast for learning Persian she started in 2011. Together they discuss some prevalent themes and quirks in the Persian language, abolishing the Persian goodbye and adopting the Irish exit, what the proper word for "butt" is, and how Leyla is carrying on the Persian language and…
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In this episode, Natalie visits Millie in Paris and they discuss their time there together; operating a two women brothel, having no internet, and being stuck at a rave until 6 am. In the second half of the episode they discuss the importance of solitary experiences and cultivating your own life before joining another's. Support the show…
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The first rule of Cheshm is: You do not talk about Cheshm
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PGP revisits the subject of cheshm (which they first talked about exactly two years prior to this episode, entitled "I don't dood esfand, I dood hookah"). In this new episode they discuss the more nuanced forms of the belief in cheshm (evil eye) and how it is ingrained in Persian society; from the way people deliver news and when they do, how they …
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In this episode PGP features two voice submissions from their listeners regarding their experience dating outside their culture. One submission features a Persian girl's experience with dating someone not Persian and another submission features an Italian girl's experience dating a Persian guy. Intro song: Ahvaz - Makan Ashgvari Support the show…
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Chekhabareh? Another episode with an unhinged anonymous Persian girl. Discussing the difference in sexual encounters with men from Iran vs western men, the millennial's frustration with the lack of effort in flirting these days and generally loss of intimacy, how the life of religious taliban members resembles the present day fuccboy, men who think…
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Salut, salam. Cette semaine, een hafteh, PGP discusses wedding etiquette drama--ENCORE, and answers a listeners question regarding marrying outside of your religion. En particulier, they get into how one can be raised not by their parents values, but the values of the city/town in which they grew up (sounds like a classic case of ahberoo), reclaimi…
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Bidaram kon vakhti keh mehr tamoom shod
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Natalie and Millie return with a special guest, Naomi Larbi, model and writer + childhood friend of Millie's, to answer some questions sent in by listeners during their hiatus. They discuss what is considered "normal" when dating a Persian girl, specifically when it comes to expectations of money, gifts, chivalry, dowry, etc. In this episode they g…
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Do beaten horses in fact ever die? Millie and Natalie attempted to discuss their being uninvited from a comedy show for their Jewishness when Al Jazeera asked them to record comments for the news channel's documentary on comedian Noam Shuster (see S1 E13). They then follow how the media orchestrates the never-ending Israeli-Palestinian conflicts on…
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Interview with Shaheen Samadi and Arla Fandi
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PGP interviews rapper Shaheen Samadi and singer Arla Fandi to discuss their new music video "Atoosa" and the struggles of beauty standards for Persian women. https://www.instagram.com/shaheen.samadi/ https://www.instagram.com/arla.fandi/ Support the showبقلم Persian Girl Podcast
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Marrying outside the Persian culture
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PGP has an anonymous Persian Girl come on to discuss the experience of marrying an Indian man. "Niloofar" talks about how she met her fiance and the way her parents have received the Indian culture, getting complaints that she's "too into" the Indian culture, how it's easier as a Persian American to receive an American into their culture as opposed…
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Millie's brother Adlee, professional gossip and aspirational vh1 commentator, returns on the podcast. They slander Bill and Melinda Gates and give a Persian take on their divorce. Later Adlee and PGP ponder what is contemporary Persian-ness; how each Persian family establishes their own set of laws of what Honor means to them and spill some tea. Th…
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Na rumi-ye rum, na zangi-ye zang which literally translates to "neither a Roman of Byzantium nor a Black person of the Subsaharan region", means to say that some things cannot be black or white. In this episode, Millie and Natalie discuss the struggles specific to the dual identity of being Persian and Jewish, diving deeper into the nuances of Seph…
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PGP hosts discuss behavior and etiquette at Persian weddings, Millie is reinvigorated by recent traumatic interactions with mega doodool tallahs, upper class Persians who define their worth based on how many lavish parties they go to, Persian men who use having a white girlfriend to flex on Persian girls, snobby Persians who think doing drugs makes…
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Interview with Mandana Salehi of Zibahub
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PGP interviews Mandana Salehi, founder of Zibahub, an inclusive beauty services app. They discuss how she got started with her company, beauty standards and how they're changing, how she met her husband and the response she got from the Persian community for marrying a Black man, dealing with being ostracized by your family for marrying outside y…
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In this episode Dr Sherry Rostami comes on the podcast to share her life story: how her father making decisions for her changed the track of her life and how she's still picking up the pieces. We also discuss "ahberoo" (reputation/honor), what it was like being the daughter of a famous actor, being forced into marriage for the sake of ahberoo, rais…
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Punk Elle Woods//Sahar Shiralian, returns to the podcast (previous episode Performative #Girlboss) to discuss how her outlook has changed since the last time she came on PGP from "man hating girlboss" to lovable lawyer. They talk about the temperament of Persian women, how Persian women are pigeon holed when dating a Persian man, the advantages of …
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In this episode PGP interviews a 25 year old biomedical engineer based in nyc, who grew up in Tehran. They discuss her experience living in Calabasas and Los Angeles, the culture shock she experienced in America during high school at Calabasas High despite speaking English and visiting annually, her childhood in Tehran and education, and the "life …
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In this episode Millie and Natalie discuss the guilt that Persian parents pass on to their children, running errands for the rest of their lives for their parents, absurd Persian grocery shopping habits, difference between brown parents vs. white parents, coddled vs. non coddled children, families who have live-in nannies, and more. They also discu…
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