From Chaos to Calm

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From Chaos to Calm and Finding Ease in Modern Parenting

Sally Bisbee explores the journey from parental overwhelm to empowering ease, unveiling practical strategies for simplifying family life, nurturing self-care, and fostering authentic communication to enable mothers to thrive amidst modern challenges.

In this episode of The Inclusion Bites Podcast, Joanne Lockwood invites Sally Bisbee to navigate the transition from chaos to calm in the realities of modern family life. Joanne explores how mothers face the pressures of societal expectations, work, family routines, and self-imposed guilt, all while trying to carve out space for themselves. Sally shares her own story of overwhelm—juggling children of widely differing ages and rediscovering her identity outside motherhood—and demonstrates practical methods for reclaiming tranquillity in the relentless swirl of family life. Together, they unpack the impact of perfectionism, the invisible “mental load”, unspoken assumptions between partners, and the crucial role of open, honest communication in creating balanced shared responsibility.

Sally is a mum life simplification coach based in Minnesota, USA, specialising in helping overwhelmed mothers develop sustainable routines and guilt-free self-care. With experience spanning over two decades of parenting—including a 22-year-old and two younger children—she brings both lived wisdom and a nuanced understanding of how family dynamics shift across generations. Sally, who also runs multiple businesses, is driven by her passion for empowering mothers to shed the myth of needing to “do it all” and find joy through intentional boundaries, flexible expectations, and supportive habits. Her practice extends beyond generic advice, illustrating how bespoke routine changes and shifting perspectives on partnership can dramatically improve familial wellbeing.

Joanne and Sally examine the legacy of traditional gender roles, the challenges of maintaining both independence and connectivity in marriage, and the evolving responsibilities of the “sandwich generation” caring for children and elderly parents. They discuss acceptance, setting priorities, and the need to reframe self-worth away from domestic perfection towards authentic presence and fulfilment. Their conversation is both relatable and transformative, offering tools to rediscover calm and nurture inclusive, supportive family cultures.

A key takeaway from this episode is the transformative potential of self-awareness and communication—by recognising personal needs and openly sharing them with family, mothers can move from daily overwhelm to genuine calm, benefiting not only themselves but everyone in their household. Listeners will come away with actionable insights for fostering gentler, more resilient family life.

Published: 07.11.2025 Recorded: 22.04.2025 Duration: 0:55:45

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Clips and Timestamps

Parenting Surprises: “You’re like, nothing is the same for you as it was for the other two. And so it’s just a constant, like, game as a parent. Right. Figuring out what works and what works for this kid and what, you know, what, what does this kid need from Me and what, what do I need? And all those constant things we have to figure out.”
— Sally Bisbee [00:09:43 → 00:10:02]

Viral Topic: The Mental Load of Motherhood
“I did it all because as a mom I think we just feel like we need to do the laundry and the dishes and all the things.”
— Sally Bisbee [00:16:02 → 00:16:07]

Viral Topic: The Mental Load of Working Mothers: “And I think that there is a big rewiring that needs to happen in our brains to know that when you’re both working, why is, why is it that you both work full time, but then all this stuff still falls on the mom, right?”
— Sally Bisbee [00:18:37 → 00:18:49]

The Mental Load of Motherhood: “At any given time, my brain is going with a million things. What do the kids have? What do they now in, you know, in Minnesota, it’s almost summer, so it’s like, oh, do they have all their Summer clothes because we switched from snow to kneading shorts. So do they have clothes? What sports do they have? What? You know, all those things constantly going through my brain that my husband does not have going through his brain on any given day.”
— Sally Bisbee [00:21:16 → 00:21:16]

Viral Topic: The Mental Load in Marriage: “Does your spouse even know how you feel? Do they know that you’re doing all this? Your husband might work full time, you might work full time, but why are you working full time coming home and doing all the stuff with the kids and all the stuff for the house while your husband comes home and doesn’t do that?”
— Sally Bisbee [00:21:16 → 00:22:04]

Turning 40 and Finding Yourself: “I think something about turning 40 was a really like eye opener to me of like, you know what? This is my life. Like I, I don’t need to live for somebody else. I need to live for me and what makes me happy and what works for me and my family and just really, you know, living that life that like works for me, what, how I live my life might not work for somebody else.”
— Sally Bisbee [00:26:21 → 00:26:45]

Viral Topic: The Power of Simple Conversations
“Just having those simple conversations really is, is a game changer. And not only parenting, but, you know, that whole effective marriage thing and making sure that, you know, I always tell my husband, I’m like, I’m only doing this once, so we’re gonna, you know, make sure this works forever. And I’d like to still like you when the kids get out of the house. So having that communication is a big thing.”
— Sally Bisbee [00:27:47 → 00:28:09]

Viral Topic: The Importance of Downtime for Families: “Maybe volunteering for the event that you really want to volunteer for is just not in the books right now because of knowing your capacity and needing some of that just space to have some downtime in your life. I think is. Is such a important thing for, for us to remember just to.”
— Sally Bisbee [00:35:52 → 00:36:09]

Viral Topic: Mum Burnout
“I can’t stay on top of everything I’m supposed to do. Raising the kids and laundry and keeping the house clean and decluttering and all the things, much less find time for myself.”
— Sally Bisbee [00:38:25 → 00:38:34]

Viral Life Advice: “when you simplify your life and get rid of any unnecessary stresses, when new stresses come up, then the thing is you can just focus on that new stress and you don’t also have to focus on that new stress along with all the other stresses.”
— Sally Bisbee [00:52:09 → 00:52:20]

Definition of Terms Used

What is Mum Life Simplification Coaching?

• Definition: Mum life simplification coaching refers to a tailored approach that assists mothers in streamlining daily routines, alleviating stress, and cultivating calm through practical strategies and guilt-free self-care.
• Relevance: This form of coaching is particularly imperative for mothers experiencing overwhelm, enabling them to reclaim personal time and improve overall family wellbeing without succumbing to societal pressure for perfection.
• Examples: Working with a coach to design simplified routines for mornings, delegate household tasks, and create structured slots for self-care activities.
• Related Terms: Wellbeing Coach, Life Balance, Mindful Parenting, Time Management, Emotional Load
• Common Misconceptions: Some incorrectly presume it is simply ‘life coaching’ for mothers, overlooking its specialised focus on the unique pressures of modern mumhood and the intersection of societal expectations and real-life challenges.

What is the Mental Load of Motherhood?

• Definition: The mental load of motherhood describes the invisible, ongoing cognitive and emotional effort required to manage a household and family, including planning, scheduling, remembering, and anticipating needs.
• Relevance: Understanding the mental load spotlights gendered disparities in family responsibilities, and is vital for addressing burnout, resentment, and communication gaps within families.
• Examples: Keeping track of the children’s clothing for the changing seasons, managing school forms and appointments, and remembering birthdays or medication schedules.
• Related Terms: Cognitive Labour, Emotional Labour, Parental Burnout, Executive Function, Gender Roles
• Common Misconceptions: It is often misconstrued as ‘nagging’ or as trivial compared to physical duties, while in reality it is a significant source of chronic stress, affecting mental health and relationship dynamics.

What is White Space in Life?

• Definition: ‘White space’ refers to intentional pauses or unscheduled time in one’s daily routine, allowing for rest, reflection, or spontaneous activity unencumbered by commitments.
• Relevance: In the context of overwhelmed parents, cultivating white space is crucial to preventing burnout, increasing creativity, and fostering wellbeing amidst competing priorities and busy schedules.
• Examples: Refraining from overbooking weekends with errands and activities, or creating a daily half-hour with no planned responsibilities to simply unwind.
• Related Terms: Downtime, Mindful Pause, Self-care Scheduling, Work-Life Balance
• Common Misconceptions: Some regard white space as unproductive or luxurious, not recognising its role in maintaining long-term efficiency and mental health.

What is Perimenopause?

• Definition: Perimenopause is the transitional period preceding menopause, characterised by fluctuating hormones and a variety of physical and emotional symptoms that may affect women typically from their early 40s onwards.
• Relevance: Awareness of perimenopause in the context of parental and family dynamics allows for a more empathetic understanding of behavioural and emotional shifts, altering self-care and interpersonal needs.
• Examples: Experiencing irregular menstruation, mood swings, sleep disturbances, or hot flushes whilst navigating parenting responsibilities.
• Related Terms: Menopause, Hormonal Changes, Women’s Health, Life Transition
• Common Misconceptions: Many mistake perimenopause for immediate menopause, or assume its effects are purely physical, ignoring its significant impact on emotional wellbeing and family interactions.

What is the Sandwich Generation?

• Definition: The ‘sandwich generation’ refers to adults who simultaneously care for their own dependent children and ageing parents, often juggling multiple caregiving roles alongside a career and other personal obligations.
• Relevance: Being part of the sandwich generation carries unique emotional and logistical pressures, contributing to heightened levels of overwhelm and a need for strategies in boundary-setting, self-care, and family dialogue.
• Examples: Supporting an elderly parent with medical appointments and social care whilst also meeting the everyday needs of adolescent children.
• Related Terms: Intergenerational Care, Elder Care, Parental Responsibility, Life Stage Stress
• Common Misconceptions: It is erroneously thought that only middle-aged women experience these pressures, whereas men and people of various backgrounds can be affected, and that all care-giving is instinctive rather than learned and adaptable.

FAQ: Episode 182 “From Chaos to Calm” – Definitions and Guidance

• What is Mum Life Simplification Coaching?Specialist coaching designed to help mothers manage overwhelm, reclaim time, and develop simple routines for self-care and family harmony.
• What is the Mental Load of Motherhood?The invisible, persistent cognitive work required to run a family, from planning and scheduling to remembering emotional and logistical details.
• What is White Space in Life?Deliberate unscheduled time built into daily routines to facilitate rest, reflection, and resilience against overload.
• What is Perimenopause?The transitional time leading up to menopause, marked by physiological and emotional changes that can intensify parenting and family life challenges.
• What is the Sandwich Generation?Adults caring for both dependent children and ageing parents, navigating complex stresses and the need for practical simplification and support.

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1. Introduction and Welcome (00:00:00)

2. Inclusion Bites: Spark Change (00:01:30)

3. Balancing Parenthood and Personal Life (00:05:40)

4. Parenting Different Personalities (00:09:20)

5. Sibling Bonding Across Age Gap (00:10:02)

6. Sharing the Load as Mum (00:15:35)

7. Addressing Gender Roles at Home (00:18:28)

8. Mental Load of Motherhood (00:20:21)

9. Priorities Shift with Age (00:25:54)

10. Importance of Everyday Communication (00:27:21)

11. Simplifying Motherhood and Stress (00:32:39)

12. Prioritising Downtime and Balance (00:35:21)

13. Finding Time for Yourself (00:38:15)

14. Perspective Differences in Marriage (00:39:43)

15. Parenting, Growth, and Life Balance (00:45:28)

16. Balancing Motherhood and Ambitions (00:47:24)

17. Simplify Life, Manage Stress (00:51:51)

18. Join the Inclusion Journey (00:54:44)