Sean's new mobile app, marketing ChartJuice, and working together on a client project

Small Efforts - with Sean Sun and Andrew Askins

Season 2: Episode 4

Did you know AI really loves the word delve? Sean and Andrew can't help starting the pod off with a little more AI talk. Then they get into Sean's new product he's working on. Meanwhile Andrew is putting aside his IDE and starting to shift his focus to marketing and selling ChartJuice. He talks about using Flow.club to focus and setting a goal of doing two hours of deep work every day. Sean asks Andrew if he would sell ChartJuice if someone made him an offer tomorrow. And Sean and Andrew talk about working together on a new client project!

Links:

• Andrew’s Twitter: @AndrewAskins
• Andrew's website: https://www.andrewaskins.com/
• ChartJuice: https://www.chartjuice.com/
• Sean’s Twitter: @seanqsun
• Miscreants: http://miscreants.com/
• StackWise: Coming soon...
• Cider: Coming soon...

For more information about the podcast, check out https://www.smalleffortspod.com/.

Transcript:
00:00.77

Sean

What's up? What's up? How you doing?

00:03.03

Andrew

Not bad. What happened to our theme music? I thought you were supposed to be coming in every week with a new theme song.

00:09.35

Sean

So, you know, it's actually a little bit harder to use. than i Yeah.

00:14.64

Andrew

Isn't this the classic story of all of these AI tools is it's like, it seems great at first glance. And then you start trying to really use it for something and you start going, oh, this is so much work to get out of this, what I want to get out of it.

00:28.82

Sean

Yeah, 100%. I think like it doesn't have it doesn't have the levers I would want. you know I can't like dial a voice. I can't like switch. I have to use a prompt to change. like Do I want a male singer or a female singer? Do I want it to be you know louder here? I can't i can't say like I want to be louder here or different here. I feel like that.

00:49.46

Andrew

You need a cringe dial. Let me crank the cringe all the way down to zero.

00:51.24

Sean

Yeah. Yeah, i don't think i don't the thing is AI doesn't know what that is, which is crazy.

00:55.60

Andrew

AI doesn't understand cringe. AI is by default cringe. That's that's why we still have jobs.

00:58.85

Sean

You know?

01:01.89

Sean

um I've been looking at some other AI things and God.

01:07.62

Sean

which AI really likes the word Delve. Did you know that?

01:10.59

Andrew

Oh, interesting. I have not noticed that.

01:11.63

Sean

Yeah. I think Paul Graham had a tweet or something to say like that's like the one of the biggest indicators that someone's seeing AI and they never saw it and then until I finally like um I was pulling a transcription out and then trying to get a summary just to see how any of that works and the amount of times it uses Delve is astounding and

01:31.86

Andrew

That's fascinating.

01:32.63

Sean

There's nothing I can't, i you know, once it's like a wrapper around whatever sort of AI tool, I can't tell it to, you know, at that point, I can't even change the prompt. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um.

01:42.85

Andrew

By the way, I really want to try out a couple of different transcription tools to see if any any of them can do a better job with our voices because Zincaster is not terrible, but it's a little bit of a mess.

01:45.78

Sean

Hmm.

01:57.05

Sean

Hmm.

01:57.49

Andrew

I do think the, Post edit transcription is usually better.

02:03.85

Sean

Mm-hmm.

02:04.19

Andrew

like I see a pretty noticeable improvement from pre-edit and post-edit, so that's kind of interesting.

02:06.81

Sean

Mm-hmm.

02:09.69

Andrew

But I'm really curious, like what if Podscan actually has the best the best transcriptions?

02:10.71

Sean

Maybe.

02:14.46

Sean

maybe

02:15.85

Andrew

Or yeah know maybe Transistor's new transcription tool will be better because that's all they're doing?

02:16.09

Sean

Maybe.

02:21.50

Sean

Yeah.

02:25.24

Andrew

I don't know.

02:25.29

Sean

Is there a job to be good at that?

02:27.00

Andrew

Yeah, I guess it's Zincaster's job to get that right as much as Transistor's job. but um It might even be the same person powering both.

02:31.87

Sean

Yeah. Yeah, that's true. Um,

02:37.63

Andrew

It might be the same tool under the hood.

02:39.95

Sean

um

02:40.45

Andrew

That would be funny.

02:40.75

Sean

so, so this podcast, uh, for a client, I was running it through, I tried swell AI by, I don't remember his last name, Cody something, um. The draft horse, now he's doing swell, um and I tried to script again. um Interestingly, I don't know what's going on with swell, but like so far, that's the best transcript I got back. um Yeah, so that's pretty good. um Okay, no, no, no, no.

03:08.87

Andrew

I also saw every, do you know them? ah Nathan used to be Bashaw and now I think it's Basquez. He was at Product Hunt and then at Gimlet and um then I think co-founded every with

03:25.58

Sean

Cool.

03:31.51

Andrew

Dan Schipler, if that, I might have that name right. It's kind of interesting. They were doing bundled newsletters. So taking different newsletter creators and creating a unified brand for them to publish under and then offering a bundled price where the creators split the revenue and they're now taking.

03:43.65

Sean

Cool.

03:47.29

Sean

cool

03:52.41

Andrew

that bundle concept to a new extreme and launching software products. And the only way to pay for their software products is by buying a bundle, a subscription to every. So for one price, you get access to all of their newsletters and their software products. And their first one was Lex, an AI powered document editor where you could

04:18.67

Sean

Okay. You use that, yeah.

04:22.06

Andrew

I, yeah, I've used it a little bit. It's, it's pretty nifty. And then it se...