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In this episode, we delve into the concept of being "qualified" in the workplace, examining who gets labeled as such, who doesn't, and the underlying reasons. We explore "competency checking"—the practice of scrutinizing individuals' abilities—and how it disproportionately affects underrepresented groups, often going unnoticed or unchallenged. Our discussion aims to redefine qualifications in a fair, equitable, and actionable manner. Our guest, Shari Dunn , is an accomplished journalist, former attorney, news anchor, CEO, university professor, and sought-after speaker. She has been recognized as Executive of the Year and a Woman of Influence, with her work appearing in Fortune Magazine, The Wall Street Journal, Ad Age, and more. Her new book, Qualified: How Competency Checking and Race Collide at Work , unpacks what it truly means to be deserving and capable—and why systemic barriers, not personal deficits, are often the real problem. Her insights challenge the narratives that hold so many of us back and offer practical solutions for building a more equitable future. Together, we can build workplaces and communities that don’t just reflect the world we live in, but the one we want to create. A world where being qualified is about recognizing the talent and potential that’s been overlooked for far too long. It’s not just about getting a seat at the table—it’s about building an entirely new table, one designed with space for all of us. Connect with Our Guest Shari Dunn Website& Book - Qualified: https://thesharidunn.com LI: https://www.linkedin.com/today/author/sharidunn TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thesharidunn Related Podcast Episodes: How To Build Emotionally Mature Leaders with Dr. Christie Smith | 272 Holding It Together: Women As America's Safety Net with Jessica Calarco | 215 How To Defy Expectations with Dr. Sunita Sah | 271 Share the Love: If you found this episode insightful, please share it with a friend, tag us on social media, and leave a review on your favorite podcast platform! 🔗 Subscribe & Review: Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Amazon Music…

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Observations and Take-Aways: Episodes Review with Craig Thomson, Security & Awareness Manager

On this episode of the Re-Thinking the Human Factor Bruce Hallas is joined by Craig Thomson, the Security Education & Awareness Manager at Nationwide Building Society. He is an experienced Education specialist with a demonstrated history of delivering impactful results in the Defence, Air & Space and Information Security arenas. He is skilled in the management of Training Programme and solution design using SAT and ADDIE methodologies to deliver engaging and meaningful training and communications that create measurable behavioural change. Craig values using effective emotional intelligence skills to develop teams and solutions in support of achieving business strategy goals.

“Awareness is a two-way street… Awareness is just as much about actually being aware ourselves of who our target audience is…”

JOIN CRAIG THOMSON AND BRUCE HALLAS AS THEY DISCUSS:

Their shared connection around the armed forces and applicable observations they’ve made about L&D and recruitment for the Armed Forces
The importance of people having vested interest in policy creation
The problem of cognitive dissonance within company culture (i.e. ‘This is what the policy says, but what push comes to shove, here’s what we actually do’)
What motivates people to take part or give their time to engagement with awareness initiatives
Awareness is a two-way street
Lessons learned around conducting surveys as a means of gathering information about one’s target audience, and other means of garnering useful information and feedback from those people
The difference environment makes in training, accurate observation, and behaviour change
Sharing ideas across a network of security professionals
The concept of “Awareness” as communications that give people a sense of understanding and control over upcoming change in their work environment, which helps them not feel as stressed about the change, which then helps to overcome their innate desire to avoid or not comply with the desired change in behaviour
If / how metrics can be used to enhance Awareness strategy and creation

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Bruce & The Re-thinking the Human Factor Podcast Team

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Re-thinking The Human Factor with Bruce Hallas

Episodes Review with Craig Thomson, Security Education & Awareness Manager

Re-thinking The Human Factor with Bruce Hallas

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published منذ 6 أعوام

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Observations and Take-Aways: Episodes Review with Craig Thomson, Security & Awareness Manager

“Awareness is a two-way street… Awareness is just as much about actually being aware ourselves of who our target audience is…”

JOIN CRAIG THOMSON AND BRUCE HALLAS AS THEY DISCUSS:

Their shared connection around the armed forces and applicable observations they’ve made about L&D and recruitment for the Armed Forces
The importance of people having vested interest in policy creation
The problem of cognitive dissonance within company culture (i.e. ‘This is what the policy says, but what push comes to shove, here’s what we actually do’)
What motivates people to take part or give their time to engagement with awareness initiatives
Awareness is a two-way street
Lessons learned around conducting surveys as a means of gathering information about one’s target audience, and other means of garnering useful information and feedback from those people
The difference environment makes in training, accurate observation, and behaviour change
Sharing ideas across a network of security professionals
The concept of “Awareness” as communications that give people a sense of understanding and control over upcoming change in their work environment, which helps them not feel as stressed about the change, which then helps to overcome their innate desire to avoid or not comply with the desired change in behaviour
If / how metrics can be used to enhance Awareness strategy and creation

MORE ABOUT CRAIG THOMSON:

Please subscribe to the podcast in iTunes, and if you enjoyed this interview, please share with your friends and colleagues and leave a 5 star rating and review.

Thanks for listening and sharing.

Bruce & The Re-thinking the Human Factor Podcast Team

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