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SUMMARY KEYWORDS

Gun shows, unregulated gun shows, homicide rate, suicide rate, gun rights, California gun shows,

Texas gun shows, mental health, law enforcement, New Jersey gun laws, gun rights oppression, gun

ownership, firearm acquisition, dual residency, gun lawyer.

SPEAKERS

Evan Nappen

Evan Nappen 00:15

Hello, I’m Evan Nappen, and welcome to Gun Lawyer. Did you know that unregulated gun shows

actually save lives? Yeah, and it’s not just me saying that. It’s actually been demonstrated by quite a

detailed study. I’m looking at a great article written by one of my favorite gun writers, Dean Weingarten.

This is from AmmoLand, and the title is “Unregulated Gun Shows Save Lives” (Peer Reviewed Study).

(https://www.ammoland.com/2024/12/unregulated-gun-shows-save-lives-peer-reviewed-study/)

Evan Nappen 00:44

The reason for that, which is really fascinating, is that there was a paper published in 2008, and what

the paper compared was the highly regulated California gun shows, with the relatively unregulated

Texas gun shows. I think we all know there’s a huge difference when it comes to gun rights between

the gun rights oppression state of California and the gun rights liberty state of Texas. What they found

in their study was pretty fascinating, and, of course, you’ve heard nothing about this on the lame stream

media. But they found that there was no statistical difference in suicide rates or in homicide rates in

California. And the Texas gun shows, with far less regulation, actually showed a statistically significant

drop in the homicide rate.

Evan Nappen 01:59

So, think about that, folks. The unregulated gun shows created a drop in the homicide rate as

compared to the regulated shows. Dean quotes from the study, and it’s really interesting. “But our

results provide little evidence of a gun show-induced increase in mortality in Texas. In fact, we find that

in the two weeks following a gun show, the average number of gun homicides declines in the area

surrounding the gun show. Aggregating across all gun shows in the state, we find that there are

approximately 16 fewer gun homicides resulting from the 200 gun shows in the average year. In the

sections below, we discuss several possible explanations for this counter intuitive finding. However, it is

important to keep in mind that while these results are statistically significant, they are quite small —

representing just one percent of all homicides in Texas in the average year.”

Evan Nappen 03:16

But still, it is a reduction, folks. Less. As Dean points out, the authors downplay the result, but it is

fascinating. They go on further in the abstract to say, “Thousands of gun shows take place in the U.S.Page – 2 – of 9

each year. Gun control advocates argue that because sales at gun shows are much less regulated than

other sales, such shows make it easier for potential criminals to obtain a gun. Similarly, one might be

concerned that gun shows would exacerbate suicide rates by providing individuals considering suicide

with a more lethal means of ending their lives. On the other hand, proponents argue that gun shows are

innocuous since potential criminals can acquire guns quite easily through other black market sales or

theft. In this paper, we use data from Gun and Knife Show Calendar combined with vital statistics data

to examine the effect of gun shows. We find no evidence that gun shows lead to substantial increases

in either gun homicides or suicides. In addition, tighter regulation of gun shows does not appear to

reduce the number of firearms-related deaths.”

Evan Nappen 04:36

So, there you go. And guess what? This was no small study. It was a 10 year study of 3,300 gun

shows, and it was not a study conducted by gun rights advocates, pro-gun forces. So, this is pretty

fascinating. And you know, when you look at New Jersey, New Jersey doesn’t even have gun shows at

all. The law in New Jersey talks about having a display or exposition of guns but not a gun show. You

know, where dealers could actually sell guns at a show? They’re not allowed. They don’t have that.

They created a provision of “allowing a gun show”, but that’s only a place where you can show a gun.

It’s not a marketplace that is permitted as it is in many of the other states, such as Texas and

Pennsylvania, of course.

Evan Nappen 05:36

Of course, New Jerseyans, for years and years, if they wanted to go to a real gun show, they go to the

closest ones, which are in Pennsylvania. They’re pretty good shows that they hold there. But it’s really a

shame that New Jersey can’t lower its suicide rates and its homicide rates by having gun shows.

Imagine that. But that would just be too much for the gun rights oppressionists in Trenton to wrap their

heads around. And, of course, gun shows become something more than a place where guns are sold.

It’s a place of political organization. It’s a place where gun rights and gun laws and the shenanigans of

the gun rights oppressors can be discussed, and folks can organize and become part of the movement

and learn about these things. It’s a part of the social interaction, the association, person to person. And

that’s very important as well, because those are spots of organization where individuals can get

together to make a difference politically.

Evan Nappen 06:49

Yet, that’s another reason they don’t want to have these shows, because those same shows. Look, I’ll

tell you. Have you ever been to a gun show during election season? You know who the pro-gun

candidates are and who they’re not. Many of the pro-gun rights candidates physically go to the gun

shows because they meet their constituents. But in New Jersey, we don’t see that happening because

we don’t have the gun shows. One day, hopefully, we’ll be able to get gun shows back in New Jersey.

We may, in fact, see cases that are already in the process of challenging restrictions placed in other

states on gun shows. And if those cases can make Constitutional law in the Supreme Court, they may

be able to break New Jersey free from its stranglehold on stopping gun shows and thereby causing

more homicides and more suicides because they don’t allow gun shows.Page – 3 – of 9

Evan Nappen 07:58

The counter intuitive effect is very interesting, and the bottom line is that gun shows are an expression

of our rights, our ability to engage in the right to keep and bear arms and to have an organizational

marketplace of not just guns and ammo, but ideas and politics that constantly threaten us. But for now,

if you live in New Jersey, go to the free states around that have gun shows. Pennsylvania has some

great ones. There are others in other states, and it’s always a good time. And as you visit those states,

of course, you’ll long to not go back to the gun rights oppression of New Jersey, but at least you can

experience freedom for the time that you’re visiting those shows. So, interesting stuff, for sure.

Evan Nappen 08:57

I want to mention that we have some great letters from my beloved listeners, and here’s one from Bill.

Bill says, love your show and your book. Quick question on our law enforcement here in NJ. I read a

headline in our local paper. “Grant Allows Bergen County to enhance mental health care for police

officers”. (https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/bergen/2024/12/12/grant-bergen-county-nj-enhance-

police-mental-health-care/76925886007/) Why is it we can be disqualified for life to own a firearm if we

see a therapist; yet we’re paying to send our cops to the same? Is it a double standard? Do they lose

their rights to own and carry a firearm? And, of course, all our law enforcement officers obey the strict

letter of the law in all things.

Evan Nappen 09:47

Well, let me tell you, Bill. There is no actual exemption in the gun laws for law enforcement who get

either voluntary or involuntary mental health commitments. Involuntary mental health commitment, even

if they are given monies to pay for such a thing, or even a voluntary commitment that gets funded, or

however this grant works, I don’t know. The officer is not relieved of the disqualifier under N.J.S. 2C:58-

3. There is no law enforcement exemption to the mental health commitment, whether voluntary or

involuntary, folks. So, if this program is expanding mental health care again, what does that mean? I’m

not sure. But if they’re talking about either commitments, voluntary or involuntary, then the officer is still

subject to the licensing disqualifications under 58-3.

Evan Nappen 10:52

Now, there is other mental health care where they’re treated or observed. Well, again, that question is

asked on any gun license, whether it’s for a Firearms ID Card or a Pistol Purchase Permit or a Permit to

Carry in New Jersey. And if you fall under that treated or observed, you are going to have to answer

truthfully that you were treated or observed even as a law enforcement officer. Then you are going to

have to overcome that. If it wasn’t a commitment, either voluntary or involuntary, then you have to

overcome it with Doctor’s proofs. You know, a letter from your doctor, a letter from your psychiatrist, a

letter or report. And that, my friends, is a trap. Not just for law enforcement, but for anyone who gets

mental health help in New Jersey. Because as soon as you get that treatment, even if it’s not a

voluntary commitment or involuntary commitment, as soon as you get that treatment, now your answer

to that question is yes on those forms.

Evan Nappen 11:50

Now, you have to get a sign off from a doctor and that’s not easy because most doctors are chicken

shits, my friends. They don’t want to say somebody is good for guns, even if they know they’re good forPage – 4 – of 9

guns, because it’s a liability. They’re all afraid of it. If they say you’re good for guns and then there’s a

problem, guess who they’re afraid is going to get their ass sued? That’s right. There are some doctors

that have trust in their professional judgment who are willing to say somebody who’s good for guns is

good for guns, but that’s not the majority of doctors, my friends. It is not. New Jersey sets this trap out

there that if you get help, you’re going to have a hell of a time getting your rights restored, whether it’s a

doctor’s letter or a mental health expungement.

Evan Nappen 12:44

And keep this in mind. If you need a mental health expungement, you have to get a doctor’s report. So,

they have to do it again. Sign off that you’re good for guns and be willing to accept that liability. It’s not

easy. This law sets out a trap to oppress your gun rights simply because you got mental health help. It

is counter to the very purpose of the mental health help because it is a discouragement. If you want to

keep your rights, you better not get mental health. That’s what people think. And they’re not wrong,

because that’s what happens. Then they don’t get the help, and it gets worse. Then you have issues

and problems. So, the law creates the opposite effect. Big shocker, right? We’re talking about the state

that, you know, banned plastic bags so now 15 times more plastic gets used.

Evan Nappen 13:43

You know, it’s that kind of brilliance that our legislators exhibit when it comes to gun laws and the other

laws that they enact. They’re all so well intentioned, of course, and that’s what really matters, right? Not

the actual effect or what happens, or people who suffer or lose their rights or the Constitution gets

violated. No. As long as they had good intentions, then that’s fine. That’s fine. And that’s what happens

here when we’re talking about mental health. Beware, it is a trap. If you treasure your Second

Amendment rights, make sure that’s something you’re well aware of. And look, if you need help, you

got to get help. Just remember what the consequences will be. And it’s there set forth by our brilliant

legislators. Just incredible.

Evan Nappen 14:38

Hey, let me tell you about our good friends at WeShoot. WeShoot is an indoor range in Lakewood, New

Jersey. It’s the range that I shoot at and my family shoots at. I got my training there. It’s a great range.

So convenient, right off the Parkway in Lakewood. They offer training courses. You can get your

CCARE certificate to carry in New Jersey, and they also offer non-resident training for a multitude of

states, including New York City, for example, and other states places that used to be off limits and

impossible to be able to carry. Yet, now, if you take the courses and can survive the application

process, you can be a defender and no longer a victim, as the gun rights oppressors try to keep us

victims.

Evan Nappen 15:37

But thanks to St. Thomas and the Supreme Court and the Bruen decision, it’s greatly expanded. As a

matter of fact, New Jersey now I understand is over 50,000 Permits to Carry have been issued. Over

50,000. That’s a bit more than the less than 600 that existed prior to the Bruen decision, I’d say. (An

increase of 8,233.3%.) And that means you have 50,000 people that can defend themselves, their

families, their loved ones, and no longer be victims, but defenders. That’s the kind of thing that actually

has a real effect on crime. Imagine that. Doing something about crime. That’s pretty funny, isn’t it? Well,Page – 5 – of 9

there you go. You can and WeShoot will help you do that. WeShoot will train you and teach you and get

you the certificates that you need. They have a great range, great facility. They’ve firearm rentals, great

instructors, great gear, great bargains, and they’re great folks. So, check out WeShoot at weshoot

usa.com. weshootusa.com.

Evan Nappen 16:52

Also, while you’re at it, make sure you belong to the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs.

They are our state Association. They’re the folks defending our rights in the ever challenging gun rights

oppressive state of New Jersey. They’re there in the federal courts, as we speak, challenging all the big

issues that we’ve been fighting, the so-called assault firearm ban, the standard capacity magazine ban

and, of course, the Carry Killer bill. Any day now, I just can’t wait to be doing the show, which should

happen any day now, of the appeals court decision on sensitive places and these other issues. Our

Association is fighting hard, and we are working our way through the courts. It’s slow but steady. But

truth is on our side, and so is the law. We will kill these oppressive laws. We will make them end up in

the dustbin of history. At some point in the future, people will look back at these gun rights oppressors

and shake their heads and say, unbelievable. How did they ever put up with it? I know that’ll happen,

but for now, you need to be part of the solution. The solution is to join the Association of New Jersey

Rifle & Pistol Clubs. It’s anjrpc.org.

Evan Nappen 18:29

Then, of course, I have to shamelessly plug my book, the Bible of New Jersey gun law. It is entitled, not

surprisingly, New Jersey Gun Law. It’s over 500 pages, and it explains New Jersey gun law in a

question and answer format. It is the book used by everybody, because it’s the only book that does this.

It will help you stay safe, out of jail, protect your rights, protect your freedoms, by having that book. And

when you get the book, scan the QR code on the front cover and join my free subscriber database. It’s

private, and it’s free. As soon as you get the book, scan it, because right now, online, I have the

Comprehensive 2025 Update. I updated every chapter that needed updating, and I put the full complete

chapters in so that you have it update by full chapter. I even broke down the carry permit chapter into

two sections. One chapter now is just on sensitive places, because that’s always such a big question.

Where can I carry, and where can’t I carry? And it’s explained. As long as you’re signed up, you’re

good, and as soon as the cases come down or any changes, you’re going to know right away. You’re

going to be able to update your updates. This way your book always stays current. I want that book to

stay current, so you stay current. So, you don’t get in trouble. Order your copy of New Jersey Gun Law

at EvanNappen.com. That’s right. That’s my website. EvanNappen.com. I know that you will be glad

you did, because I get so many people that write and tell me how much they appreciate it.

Evan Nappen 20:30

As a matter of fact, here’s a question right here from Rob. Rob says, Hi Evan. I really enjoy the

podcast. I have a question as to remaining silent post-arrest. As an attorney, he says, (civil) I

appreciate the pitfalls of talking to the police without an attorney. I was wondering, however, if you

thought the Penny trial and conviction changed this view any. Penny’s statement was not only admitted

into evidence, but more importantly, served as a means of communicating to the jury without being

subject to cross examination. Some believe it led to his acquittal. I would love to hear your thoughts on

it. Thanks, Rob.Page – 6 – of 9

Evan Nappen 21:14

Well, I’m going to tell you right now. I believe that making any statement is extremely risky, no matter

how righteous you believe or know that you are. The statement he made did not stop him from getting

charged. It was utilized in getting him charged. The problem is that although it may have been helpful

here, what really was helpful was the great job that his attorneys did in stopping the state from their

proofs of being able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, to counter his claim of the justification of the

use of force. You see, if you talk, and this is why I really would say not to, even though here you might

say, well, I think what he said there was helpful, but there also were some things he said that were not

helpful. But the problem is, the risk is so great, and it did not have the desired effect of stopping the

charges.

Evan Nappen 22:44

So, let’s assume he didn’t say anything here. Well, the state is going to have to prove beyond a

reasonable doubt, and his assertion of self-defense on statements for the very first time would be when

he would take the stand if he was going to argue this. By that time, he would have been able to review

everything thoroughly with his attorney. He would know everything the state had. He would know what

they’re going to be asserting as their defense. By having an excellent attorney, if he was going to take

the stand to assert that claim at that time, which he could then make that decision up until the last

moment, if he’s even going to do that, he would be thoroughly prepared and able to answer all the

questions for the very first time. Because if he had to testify again and chose to take the stand, then the

state would take his statement made without counsel and be able to use that for impeachment

purposes, for any slight mistake or deviation that he might just make, even though it would be

unintentional. They’d be able to abuse it. If you’ve ever seen a good cross examination, this is what’s

done. So, by making that statement initially, it really created a disadvantage to taking the stand later,

when you can be impeached over things you may have said earlier, even though you weren’t lying.

Evan Nappen 24:38

There’s an effect that’s pretty well documented about individuals who give statements right away and

their thought process as what they are saying. Then later, when things are calmed down in their mind,

and they think about it, this is all part of that natural process. I mean, you want to look at a classic case

of that. Look at what happened with Bernie (Bernhard) Goetz. You may think about Bernie Goetz, the

famous subway shooter, right? The famous line you may have heard that he said, “You don’t look so

bad. Have another, right? You probably heard that if you paid any attention to the Bernie Goetz case.

Why did they say he said that? Because he made a statement to the police where he said that. He said

that in his statement. He said it to them. Yeah, he said you don’t look so bad. Have another. But guess

what, folks? He never said that! The jury learned and saw that he never said that. He embellished.

Whether it was because of whatever reason, you know, pumped up, hyped up, adrenaline, talking to

the police, saying whatever. He embellished in his statement. His defense attorneys had to really

demonstrate and show the jury that it was an embellishment, and it really was. It is extremely risky

making any statements. I can’t advise you to do it. I think it’s tactically unwise. You don’t want to talk to

the police. You want your attorney. You have a Fifth Amendment right – use it. And if the time comes

when you’re going to actually take the stand, then that should be the first time anybody’s hearing your

story from your lips. And that’s after you’ve talked very thoroughly with your attorney and understand allPage – 7 – of 9

the evidence that’s against you and what evidence is there that is directly supporting what you have to

say. Being very smart and tactical. Otherwise, you’re putting yourself at a big risk. But it’s a great

question. And look, you know, there may be others with a different view, but that’s my view. Having

practiced in this area, I’ve had too many times where individuals just needed to shut up. They didn’t,

and it cost them. So, beware. Thanks for the great question.

Evan Nappen 27:34

And now I have another question, and this is from Steven. Steven says, Episode 168 – the registration

trap. It addresses firearm possession when illegally acquired. In Evan’s book, it describes dual

residency, and that federal law dictates that if you are a resident of another state where your second

home is located, while actually in residence in that state, this permits the legal acquisition of a firearm,

including a handgun. So, what registration/possession rules apply if you return to New Jersey, your

resident state, with such firearms?

Evan Nappen 28:16

So, Steven, yes, the ability to acquire firearms under federal law is regulated when it comes particularly

to handguns. You can only buy a handgun in the state in which you reside. You can buy long arms, of

course, in the state where you reside, and you also can buy a long arm in a state where you do not

reside, a long arm meaning a rifle or shotgun, as long as the dealer obeys the law of your state of

residence and the dealer’s state of residence. He has to obey both sets of laws and that transfer can be

made to you right then and there, following both states’ laws of a long arm. But a handgun cannot be

done in that manner. A handgun has to be shipped to your state of residence, and the transfer takes

place there. That’s the basics.

Evan Nappen 29:24

However, federal law, as Steven mentions, allows you to acquire a handgun in a state of residence in

which you can have for purposes of gun purchase under federal law, dual residency. This is

acknowledged in the Code of Federal Regulations. It’s in my book. I show and talk about it. And so, if

you reside, for example, in New Jersey and are residing in Florida. Let’s say during the winter months

you reside in Florida, and during the summer months, you reside in New Jersey. During the time that

you are actually residing in Florida, you can purchase handguns in Florida under Florida law. New

Jersey law plays no role in it because you are a resident of Florida at that time. Federal law recognizes

that you are residing in Florida during the winter. Or if you reside, let’s say, on the weekends in New

Hampshire, then you’re a resident of New Hampshire during the weekends when you’re residing there.

Evan Nappen 30:44

Now, if you’re just on vacation in Florida or on vacation in New Hampshire, that doesn’t count. You

have to be residing there during that time. But if you are, then Federal law says you are a resident of

that state for purposes of firearm acquisition, and you are only subjected to the laws of that state’s

residency. So, what it means is you can buy a handgun under Florida law or New Hampshire law and

federal law. You’re not buying it under New Jersey law. You’re lawfully acquiring it in another

jurisdiction. Under federal law in another jurisdiction, but you’ve made a lawful acquisition. Now if you

bring it back to New Jersey, well, you have a New Jersey residency. As a matter of fact, you may have

a New Jersey driver’s license. It’s fine. You can still make that acquisition in Florida by showing otherPage – 8 – of 9

proofs of residency and even using a New Jersey driver’s license to be a government form of ID. It still

cuts the mustard under the federal reg, believe it or not.

Evan Nappen 31:47

When you bring that gun back to New Jersey, cased, unloaded, it’s no problem, as long as it’s not an

otherwise prohibited gun like a so-called dreaded assault firearm. But just a regular handgun, it’s legal.

You don’t have a mag over 10 rounds, of course, because that’s separately prohibited at this time. But if

it’s a handgun that you acquired there legally, you’re good. You’ve now transported it, cased, unloaded,

legally under federal law. Going from one place you can lawfully possess and carry to another, because

you can possess and carry in your home in New Jersey. Once you get it into your home in New Jersey,

you don’t have to register it. You’re not a new resident. You were a resident. You just had dual

residency. If you’re not a new resident, you don’t have to register it. You can keep it in New Jersey. You

can bring it to the range under the exemptions. Hell, if you want to, you can list it on your carry permit

as a carry gun. Just put the make, model, and number down. Now you’ve got a new carry. It’s legal.

Your acquisition was lawful. It’s separate from your possession. Possession is regulated in that way.

So, you do not have to register, okay? That’s Steve’s question. No registration is required of that

handgun.

Evan Nappen 32:59

Now, you can even be that temporary resident in another state and acquire a dreaded assault firearm.

That’s right. A gun prohibited in New Jersey. Why? Because you’re not a New Jersey resident at that

moment under federal law of the acquisition. If that gun’s legal in the state you’re residing in and legal

under federal law, you can buy it there. However, you cannot bring it back into New Jersey. You would

have to leave it properly, legally secured, in that other state that is not a gun rights oppression state

where you were able to buy that. You still could buy it, and you could own it there. Yep, and you have it

there. No problem. You can’t bring that one back, though. But if a gun is otherwise not prohibited and

you buy it in that other state, you can bring them back. That is how it works. So, thanks, Steven for the

great question.

Evan Nappen 33:55

You know, this is all very interesting stuff. I think when you look at how the laws work and the stuff that

they don’t want you to know about. And really, if you tie it back into gun shows and such, if you are

going to a gun show in a state where you’re a resident of that state during that time, then you can buy

guns at the gun show just like residents, because you are a resident. If the gun show has private sales,

then you can lawfully make private sales even. You do not have to be at a gun show. It could be a

private sale between individuals, as long as that state allows it. You’re operating as a resident of that

state and that’s what’s recognized by the federal law.

Evan Nappen 34:42

And the moment you’ve been waiting for. The most popular segment on the Gun Lawyer podcast, and

that is the GOFU, which is the Gun Owner Fuck Up. And why do we talk about GOFUs? Because a

GOFU is an expensive lesson that another gun owner learned that you get to learn for free, and then

you don’t become a GOFU. You avoid all the incredible money that they have to spend, the loss of their

freedom, the entire system coming down on them, and all the other ramifications that gun rightsPage – 9 – of 9

oppression bring on. But the key with a GOFU is you can avoid it if you know what not to do. Today I

want to talk about a GOFU that you may think is pretty basic. Yet, I’ve had cases, many cases, where

this has happened, and it just blows my mind. But the GOFU is this, folks. We’re heading into New

Year’s, right? And hopefully we are going to have the greatest next four years ever. I’m very excited

about it, and I’m sure you are as well. But this New Year’s, do not shoot your guns off at New Years. I

know that sounds crazy, but there are still people that do this.

Evan Nappen 36:03

First of all, you’re discharging your firearm, which there are many just flat out ordinances against

firearm discharge. Then if you’re shooting guns, you know, the bullet goes somewhere, folks, and that

can be a big problem if it hits somebody or something. We’ve had that happen. The discharge can then

escalate further to reckless conduct or other criminal charges. Do you want to lose your guns or lose

your gun rights and have an anti-licensing action take place against you? To revoke all your license and

take all your guns. Look, don’t shoot your guns off at New Year’s or anytime for that matter. They’re not

toys to make noise. To the degree that New Jersey has legal fireworks, do that, but don’t shoot your

guns. That is a GOFU that just makes me go, are you really that GOFUing stupid? All right, seriously.

Evan Nappen 37:15

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protect criminals from honest citizens.

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SUMMARY KEYWORDS

Gun shows, unregulated gun shows, homicide rate, suicide rate, gun rights, California gun shows,

Texas gun shows, mental health, law enforcement, New Jersey gun laws, gun rights oppression, gun

ownership, firearm acquisition, dual residency, gun lawyer.

SPEAKERS

Evan Nappen

Evan Nappen 00:15

Hello, I’m Evan Nappen, and welcome to Gun Lawyer. Did you know that unregulated gun shows

actually save lives? Yeah, and it’s not just me saying that. It’s actually been demonstrated by quite a

detailed study. I’m looking at a great article written by one of my favorite gun writers, Dean Weingarten.

This is from AmmoLand, and the title is “Unregulated Gun Shows Save Lives” (Peer Reviewed Study).

(https://www.ammoland.com/2024/12/unregulated-gun-shows-save-lives-peer-reviewed-study/)

Evan Nappen 00:44

The reason for that, which is really fascinating, is that there was a paper published in 2008, and what

the paper compared was the highly regulated California gun shows, with the relatively unregulated

Texas gun shows. I think we all know there’s a huge difference when it comes to gun rights between

the gun rights oppression state of California and the gun rights liberty state of Texas. What they found

in their study was pretty fascinating, and, of course, you’ve heard nothing about this on the lame stream

media. But they found that there was no statistical difference in suicide rates or in homicide rates in

California. And the Texas gun shows, with far less regulation, actually showed a statistically significant

drop in the homicide rate.

Evan Nappen 01:59

So, think about that, folks. The unregulated gun shows created a drop in the homicide rate as

compared to the regulated shows. Dean quotes from the study, and it’s really interesting. “But our

results provide little evidence of a gun show-induced increase in mortality in Texas. In fact, we find that

in the two weeks following a gun show, the average number of gun homicides declines in the area

surrounding the gun show. Aggregating across all gun shows in the state, we find that there are

approximately 16 fewer gun homicides resulting from the 200 gun shows in the average year. In the

sections below, we discuss several possible explanations for this counter intuitive finding. However, it is

important to keep in mind that while these results are statistically significant, they are quite small —

representing just one percent of all homicides in Texas in the average year.”

Evan Nappen 03:16

But still, it is a reduction, folks. Less. As Dean points out, the authors downplay the result, but it is

fascinating. They go on further in the abstract to say, “Thousands of gun shows take place in the U.S.Page – 2 – of 9

each year. Gun control advocates argue that because sales at gun shows are much less regulated than

other sales, such shows make it easier for potential criminals to obtain a gun. Similarly, one might be

concerned that gun shows would exacerbate suicide rates by providing individuals considering suicide

with a more lethal means of ending their lives. On the other hand, proponents argue that gun shows are

innocuous since potential criminals can acquire guns quite easily through other black market sales or

theft. In this paper, we use data from Gun and Knife Show Calendar combined with vital statistics data

to examine the effect of gun shows. We find no evidence that gun shows lead to substantial increases

in either gun homicides or suicides. In addition, tighter regulation of gun shows does not appear to

reduce the number of firearms-related deaths.”

Evan Nappen 04:36

So, there you go. And guess what? This was no small study. It was a 10 year study of 3,300 gun

shows, and it was not a study conducted by gun rights advocates, pro-gun forces. So, this is pretty

fascinating. And you know, when you look at New Jersey, New Jersey doesn’t even have gun shows at

all. The law in New Jersey talks about having a display or exposition of guns but not a gun show. You

know, where dealers could actually sell guns at a show? They’re not allowed. They don’t have that.

They created a provision of “allowing a gun show”, but that’s only a place where you can show a gun.

It’s not a marketplace that is permitted as it is in many of the other states, such as Texas and

Pennsylvania, of course.

Evan Nappen 05:36

Of course, New Jerseyans, for years and years, if they wanted to go to a real gun show, they go to the

closest ones, which are in Pennsylvania. They’re pretty good shows that they hold there. But it’s really a

shame that New Jersey can’t lower its suicide rates and its homicide rates by having gun shows.

Imagine that. But that would just be too much for the gun rights oppressionists in Trenton to wrap their

heads around. And, of course, gun shows become something more than a place where guns are sold.

It’s a place of political organization. It’s a place where gun rights and gun laws and the shenanigans of

the gun rights oppressors can be discussed, and folks can organize and become part of the movement

and learn about these things. It’s a part of the social interaction, the association, person to person. And

that’s very important as well, because those are spots of organization where individuals can get

together to make a difference politically.

Evan Nappen 06:49

Yet, that’s another reason they don’t want to have these shows, because those same shows. Look, I’ll

tell you. Have you ever been to a gun show during election season? You know who the pro-gun

candidates are and who they’re not. Many of the pro-gun rights candidates physically go to the gun

shows because they meet their constituents. But in New Jersey, we don’t see that happening because

we don’t have the gun shows. One day, hopefully, we’ll be able to get gun shows back in New Jersey.

We may, in fact, see cases that are already in the process of challenging restrictions placed in other

states on gun shows. And if those cases can make Constitutional law in the Supreme Court, they may

be able to break New Jersey free from its stranglehold on stopping gun shows and thereby causing

more homicides and more suicides because they don’t allow gun shows.Page – 3 – of 9

Evan Nappen 07:58

The counter intuitive effect is very interesting, and the bottom line is that gun shows are an expression

of our rights, our ability to engage in the right to keep and bear arms and to have an organizational

marketplace of not just guns and ammo, but ideas and politics that constantly threaten us. But for now,

if you live in New Jersey, go to the free states around that have gun shows. Pennsylvania has some

great ones. There are others in other states, and it’s always a good time. And as you visit those states,

of course, you’ll long to not go back to the gun rights oppression of New Jersey, but at least you can

experience freedom for the time that you’re visiting those shows. So, interesting stuff, for sure.

Evan Nappen 08:57

I want to mention that we have some great letters from my beloved listeners, and here’s one from Bill.

Bill says, love your show and your book. Quick question on our law enforcement here in NJ. I read a

headline in our local paper. “Grant Allows Bergen County to enhance mental health care for police

officers”. (https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/bergen/2024/12/12/grant-bergen-county-nj-enhance-

police-mental-health-care/76925886007/) Why is it we can be disqualified for life to own a firearm if we

see a therapist; yet we’re paying to send our cops to the same? Is it a double standard? Do they lose

their rights to own and carry a firearm? And, of course, all our law enforcement officers obey the strict

letter of the law in all things.

Evan Nappen 09:47

Well, let me tell you, Bill. There is no actual exemption in the gun laws for law enforcement who get

either voluntary or involuntary mental health commitments. Involuntary mental health commitment, even

if they are given monies to pay for such a thing, or even a voluntary commitment that gets funded, or

however this grant works, I don’t know. The officer is not relieved of the disqualifier under N.J.S. 2C:58-

3. There is no law enforcement exemption to the mental health commitment, whether voluntary or

involuntary, folks. So, if this program is expanding mental health care again, what does that mean? I’m

not sure. But if they’re talking about either commitments, voluntary or involuntary, then the officer is still

subject to the licensing disqualifications under 58-3.

Evan Nappen 10:52

Now, there is other mental health care where they’re treated or observed. Well, again, that question is

asked on any gun license, whether it’s for a Firearms ID Card or a Pistol Purchase Permit or a Permit to

Carry in New Jersey. And if you fall under that treated or observed, you are going to have to answer

truthfully that you were treated or observed even as a law enforcement officer. Then you are going to

have to overcome that. If it wasn’t a commitment, either voluntary or involuntary, then you have to

overcome it with Doctor’s proofs. You know, a letter from your doctor, a letter from your psychiatrist, a

letter or report. And that, my friends, is a trap. Not just for law enforcement, but for anyone who gets

mental health help in New Jersey. Because as soon as you get that treatment, even if it’s not a

voluntary commitment or involuntary commitment, as soon as you get that treatment, now your answer

to that question is yes on those forms.

Evan Nappen 11:50

Now, you have to get a sign off from a doctor and that’s not easy because most doctors are chicken

shits, my friends. They don’t want to say somebody is good for guns, even if they know they’re good forPage – 4 – of 9

guns, because it’s a liability. They’re all afraid of it. If they say you’re good for guns and then there’s a

problem, guess who they’re afraid is going to get their ass sued? That’s right. There are some doctors

that have trust in their professional judgment who are willing to say somebody who’s good for guns is

good for guns, but that’s not the majority of doctors, my friends. It is not. New Jersey sets this trap out

there that if you get help, you’re going to have a hell of a time getting your rights restored, whether it’s a

doctor’s letter or a mental health expungement.

Evan Nappen 12:44

And keep this in mind. If you need a mental health expungement, you have to get a doctor’s report. So,

they have to do it again. Sign off that you’re good for guns and be willing to accept that liability. It’s not

easy. This law sets out a trap to oppress your gun rights simply because you got mental health help. It

is counter to the very purpose of the mental health help because it is a discouragement. If you want to

keep your rights, you better not get mental health. That’s what people think. And they’re not wrong,

because that’s what happens. Then they don’t get the help, and it gets worse. Then you have issues

and problems. So, the law creates the opposite effect. Big shocker, right? We’re talking about the state

that, you know, banned plastic bags so now 15 times more plastic gets used.

Evan Nappen 13:43

You know, it’s that kind of brilliance that our legislators exhibit when it comes to gun laws and the other

laws that they enact. They’re all so well intentioned, of course, and that’s what really matters, right? Not

the actual effect or what happens, or people who suffer or lose their rights or the Constitution gets

violated. No. As long as they had good intentions, then that’s fine. That’s fine. And that’s what happens

here when we’re talking about mental health. Beware, it is a trap. If you treasure your Second

Amendment rights, make sure that’s something you’re well aware of. And look, if you need help, you

got to get help. Just remember what the consequences will be. And it’s there set forth by our brilliant

legislators. Just incredible.

Evan Nappen 14:38

Hey, let me tell you about our good friends at WeShoot. WeShoot is an indoor range in Lakewood, New

Jersey. It’s the range that I shoot at and my family shoots at. I got my training there. It’s a great range.

So convenient, right off the Parkway in Lakewood. They offer training courses. You can get your

CCARE certificate to carry in New Jersey, and they also offer non-resident training for a multitude of

states, including New York City, for example, and other states places that used to be off limits and

impossible to be able to carry. Yet, now, if you take the courses and can survive the application

process, you can be a defender and no longer a victim, as the gun rights oppressors try to keep us

victims.

Evan Nappen 15:37

But thanks to St. Thomas and the Supreme Court and the Bruen decision, it’s greatly expanded. As a

matter of fact, New Jersey now I understand is over 50,000 Permits to Carry have been issued. Over

50,000. That’s a bit more than the less than 600 that existed prior to the Bruen decision, I’d say. (An

increase of 8,233.3%.) And that means you have 50,000 people that can defend themselves, their

families, their loved ones, and no longer be victims, but defenders. That’s the kind of thing that actually

has a real effect on crime. Imagine that. Doing something about crime. That’s pretty funny, isn’t it? Well,Page – 5 – of 9

there you go. You can and WeShoot will help you do that. WeShoot will train you and teach you and get

you the certificates that you need. They have a great range, great facility. They’ve firearm rentals, great

instructors, great gear, great bargains, and they’re great folks. So, check out WeShoot at weshoot

usa.com. weshootusa.com.

Evan Nappen 16:52

Also, while you’re at it, make sure you belong to the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs.

They are our state Association. They’re the folks defending our rights in the ever challenging gun rights

oppressive state of New Jersey. They’re there in the federal courts, as we speak, challenging all the big

issues that we’ve been fighting, the so-called assault firearm ban, the standard capacity magazine ban

and, of course, the Carry Killer bill. Any day now, I just can’t wait to be doing the show, which should

happen any day now, of the appeals court decision on sensitive places and these other issues. Our

Association is fighting hard, and we are working our way through the courts. It’s slow but steady. But

truth is on our side, and so is the law. We will kill these oppressive laws. We will make them end up in

the dustbin of history. At some point in the future, people will look back at these gun rights oppressors

and shake their heads and say, unbelievable. How did they ever put up with it? I know that’ll happen,

but for now, you need to be part of the solution. The solution is to join the Association of New Jersey

Rifle & Pistol Clubs. It’s anjrpc.org.

Evan Nappen 18:29

Then, of course, I have to shamelessly plug my book, the Bible of New Jersey gun law. It is entitled, not

surprisingly, New Jersey Gun Law. It’s over 500 pages, and it explains New Jersey gun law in a

question and answer format. It is the book used by everybody, because it’s the only book that does this.

It will help you stay safe, out of jail, protect your rights, protect your freedoms, by having that book. And

when you get the book, scan the QR code on the front cover and join my free subscriber database. It’s

private, and it’s free. As soon as you get the book, scan it, because right now, online, I have the

Comprehensive 2025 Update. I updated every chapter that needed updating, and I put the full complete

chapters in so that you have it update by full chapter. I even broke down the carry permit chapter into

two sections. One chapter now is just on sensitive places, because that’s always such a big question.

Where can I carry, and where can’t I carry? And it’s explained. As long as you’re signed up, you’re

good, and as soon as the cases come down or any changes, you’re going to know right away. You’re

going to be able to update your updates. This way your book always stays current. I want that book to

stay current, so you stay current. So, you don’t get in trouble. Order your copy of New Jersey Gun Law

at EvanNappen.com. That’s right. That’s my website. EvanNappen.com. I know that you will be glad

you did, because I get so many people that write and tell me how much they appreciate it.

Evan Nappen 20:30

As a matter of fact, here’s a question right here from Rob. Rob says, Hi Evan. I really enjoy the

podcast. I have a question as to remaining silent post-arrest. As an attorney, he says, (civil) I

appreciate the pitfalls of talking to the police without an attorney. I was wondering, however, if you

thought the Penny trial and conviction changed this view any. Penny’s statement was not only admitted

into evidence, but more importantly, served as a means of communicating to the jury without being

subject to cross examination. Some believe it led to his acquittal. I would love to hear your thoughts on

it. Thanks, Rob.Page – 6 – of 9

Evan Nappen 21:14

Well, I’m going to tell you right now. I believe that making any statement is extremely risky, no matter

how righteous you believe or know that you are. The statement he made did not stop him from getting

charged. It was utilized in getting him charged. The problem is that although it may have been helpful

here, what really was helpful was the great job that his attorneys did in stopping the state from their

proofs of being able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, to counter his claim of the justification of the

use of force. You see, if you talk, and this is why I really would say not to, even though here you might

say, well, I think what he said there was helpful, but there also were some things he said that were not

helpful. But the problem is, the risk is so great, and it did not have the desired effect of stopping the

charges.

Evan Nappen 22:44

So, let’s assume he didn’t say anything here. Well, the state is going to have to prove beyond a

reasonable doubt, and his assertion of self-defense on statements for the very first time would be when

he would take the stand if he was going to argue this. By that time, he would have been able to review

everything thoroughly with his attorney. He would know everything the state had. He would know what

they’re going to be asserting as their defense. By having an excellent attorney, if he was going to take

the stand to assert that claim at that time, which he could then make that decision up until the last

moment, if he’s even going to do that, he would be thoroughly prepared and able to answer all the

questions for the very first time. Because if he had to testify again and chose to take the stand, then the

state would take his statement made without counsel and be able to use that for impeachment

purposes, for any slight mistake or deviation that he might just make, even though it would be

unintentional. They’d be able to abuse it. If you’ve ever seen a good cross examination, this is what’s

done. So, by making that statement initially, it really created a disadvantage to taking the stand later,

when you can be impeached over things you may have said earlier, even though you weren’t lying.

Evan Nappen 24:38

There’s an effect that’s pretty well documented about individuals who give statements right away and

their thought process as what they are saying. Then later, when things are calmed down in their mind,

and they think about it, this is all part of that natural process. I mean, you want to look at a classic case

of that. Look at what happened with Bernie (Bernhard) Goetz. You may think about Bernie Goetz, the

famous subway shooter, right? The famous line you may have heard that he said, “You don’t look so

bad. Have another, right? You probably heard that if you paid any attention to the Bernie Goetz case.

Why did they say he said that? Because he made a statement to the police where he said that. He said

that in his statement. He said it to them. Yeah, he said you don’t look so bad. Have another. But guess

what, folks? He never said that! The jury learned and saw that he never said that. He embellished.

Whether it was because of whatever reason, you know, pumped up, hyped up, adrenaline, talking to

the police, saying whatever. He embellished in his statement. His defense attorneys had to really

demonstrate and show the jury that it was an embellishment, and it really was. It is extremely risky

making any statements. I can’t advise you to do it. I think it’s tactically unwise. You don’t want to talk to

the police. You want your attorney. You have a Fifth Amendment right – use it. And if the time comes

when you’re going to actually take the stand, then that should be the first time anybody’s hearing your

story from your lips. And that’s after you’ve talked very thoroughly with your attorney and understand allPage – 7 – of 9

the evidence that’s against you and what evidence is there that is directly supporting what you have to

say. Being very smart and tactical. Otherwise, you’re putting yourself at a big risk. But it’s a great

question. And look, you know, there may be others with a different view, but that’s my view. Having

practiced in this area, I’ve had too many times where individuals just needed to shut up. They didn’t,

and it cost them. So, beware. Thanks for the great question.

Evan Nappen 27:34

And now I have another question, and this is from Steven. Steven says, Episode 168 – the registration

trap. It addresses firearm possession when illegally acquired. In Evan’s book, it describes dual

residency, and that federal law dictates that if you are a resident of another state where your second

home is located, while actually in residence in that state, this permits the legal acquisition of a firearm,

including a handgun. So, what registration/possession rules apply if you return to New Jersey, your

resident state, with such firearms?

Evan Nappen 28:16

So, Steven, yes, the ability to acquire firearms under federal law is regulated when it comes particularly

to handguns. You can only buy a handgun in the state in which you reside. You can buy long arms, of

course, in the state where you reside, and you also can buy a long arm in a state where you do not

reside, a long arm meaning a rifle or shotgun, as long as the dealer obeys the law of your state of

residence and the dealer’s state of residence. He has to obey both sets of laws and that transfer can be

made to you right then and there, following both states’ laws of a long arm. But a handgun cannot be

done in that manner. A handgun has to be shipped to your state of residence, and the transfer takes

place there. That’s the basics.

Evan Nappen 29:24

However, federal law, as Steven mentions, allows you to acquire a handgun in a state of residence in

which you can have for purposes of gun purchase under federal law, dual residency. This is

acknowledged in the Code of Federal Regulations. It’s in my book. I show and talk about it. And so, if

you reside, for example, in New Jersey and are residing in Florida. Let’s say during the winter months

you reside in Florida, and during the summer months, you reside in New Jersey. During the time that

you are actually residing in Florida, you can purchase handguns in Florida under Florida law. New

Jersey law plays no role in it because you are a resident of Florida at that time. Federal law recognizes

that you are residing in Florida during the winter. Or if you reside, let’s say, on the weekends in New

Hampshire, then you’re a resident of New Hampshire during the weekends when you’re residing there.

Evan Nappen 30:44

Now, if you’re just on vacation in Florida or on vacation in New Hampshire, that doesn’t count. You

have to be residing there during that time. But if you are, then Federal law says you are a resident of

that state for purposes of firearm acquisition, and you are only subjected to the laws of that state’s

residency. So, what it means is you can buy a handgun under Florida law or New Hampshire law and

federal law. You’re not buying it under New Jersey law. You’re lawfully acquiring it in another

jurisdiction. Under federal law in another jurisdiction, but you’ve made a lawful acquisition. Now if you

bring it back to New Jersey, well, you have a New Jersey residency. As a matter of fact, you may have

a New Jersey driver’s license. It’s fine. You can still make that acquisition in Florida by showing otherPage – 8 – of 9

proofs of residency and even using a New Jersey driver’s license to be a government form of ID. It still

cuts the mustard under the federal reg, believe it or not.

Evan Nappen 31:47

When you bring that gun back to New Jersey, cased, unloaded, it’s no problem, as long as it’s not an

otherwise prohibited gun like a so-called dreaded assault firearm. But just a regular handgun, it’s legal.

You don’t have a mag over 10 rounds, of course, because that’s separately prohibited at this time. But if

it’s a handgun that you acquired there legally, you’re good. You’ve now transported it, cased, unloaded,

legally under federal law. Going from one place you can lawfully possess and carry to another, because

you can possess and carry in your home in New Jersey. Once you get it into your home in New Jersey,

you don’t have to register it. You’re not a new resident. You were a resident. You just had dual

residency. If you’re not a new resident, you don’t have to register it. You can keep it in New Jersey. You

can bring it to the range under the exemptions. Hell, if you want to, you can list it on your carry permit

as a carry gun. Just put the make, model, and number down. Now you’ve got a new carry. It’s legal.

Your acquisition was lawful. It’s separate from your possession. Possession is regulated in that way.

So, you do not have to register, okay? That’s Steve’s question. No registration is required of that

handgun.

Evan Nappen 32:59

Now, you can even be that temporary resident in another state and acquire a dreaded assault firearm.

That’s right. A gun prohibited in New Jersey. Why? Because you’re not a New Jersey resident at that

moment under federal law of the acquisition. If that gun’s legal in the state you’re residing in and legal

under federal law, you can buy it there. However, you cannot bring it back into New Jersey. You would

have to leave it properly, legally secured, in that other state that is not a gun rights oppression state

where you were able to buy that. You still could buy it, and you could own it there. Yep, and you have it

there. No problem. You can’t bring that one back, though. But if a gun is otherwise not prohibited and

you buy it in that other state, you can bring them back. That is how it works. So, thanks, Steven for the

great question.

Evan Nappen 33:55

You know, this is all very interesting stuff. I think when you look at how the laws work and the stuff that

they don’t want you to know about. And really, if you tie it back into gun shows and such, if you are

going to a gun show in a state where you’re a resident of that state during that time, then you can buy

guns at the gun show just like residents, because you are a resident. If the gun show has private sales,

then you can lawfully make private sales even. You do not have to be at a gun show. It could be a

private sale between individuals, as long as that state allows it. You’re operating as a resident of that

state and that’s what’s recognized by the federal law.

Evan Nappen 34:42

And the moment you’ve been waiting for. The most popular segment on the Gun Lawyer podcast, and

that is the GOFU, which is the Gun Owner Fuck Up. And why do we talk about GOFUs? Because a

GOFU is an expensive lesson that another gun owner learned that you get to learn for free, and then

you don’t become a GOFU. You avoid all the incredible money that they have to spend, the loss of their

freedom, the entire system coming down on them, and all the other ramifications that gun rightsPage – 9 – of 9

oppression bring on. But the key with a GOFU is you can avoid it if you know what not to do. Today I

want to talk about a GOFU that you may think is pretty basic. Yet, I’ve had cases, many cases, where

this has happened, and it just blows my mind. But the GOFU is this, folks. We’re heading into New

Year’s, right? And hopefully we are going to have the greatest next four years ever. I’m very excited

about it, and I’m sure you are as well. But this New Year’s, do not shoot your guns off at New Years. I

know that sounds crazy, but there are still people that do this.

Evan Nappen 36:03

First of all, you’re discharging your firearm, which there are many just flat out ordinances against

firearm discharge. Then if you’re shooting guns, you know, the bullet goes somewhere, folks, and that

can be a big problem if it hits somebody or something. We’ve had that happen. The discharge can then

escalate further to reckless conduct or other criminal charges. Do you want to lose your guns or lose

your gun rights and have an anti-licensing action take place against you? To revoke all your license and

take all your guns. Look, don’t shoot your guns off at New Year’s or anytime for that matter. They’re not

toys to make noise. To the degree that New Jersey has legal fireworks, do that, but don’t shoot your

guns. That is a GOFU that just makes me go, are you really that GOFUing stupid? All right, seriously.

Evan Nappen 37:15

This is Evan Nappen reminding you that gun laws don’t protect honest citizens from criminals. They

protect criminals from honest citizens.

37:27

Gun Lawyer is a CounterThink Media production. The music used in this broadcast was managed by

Cosmo Music, New York, New York. Reach us by emailing Evan@gun.lawyer. The information and

opinions in this broadcast do not constitute legal advice. Consult a licensed attorney in your state.

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Evan Nappen, Esq.

Known as “America’s Gun Lawyer,” Evan Nappen is above all a tireless defender of justice. Author of eight bestselling books and countless articles on firearms, knives, and weapons history and the law, a certified Firearms Instructor, and avid weapons collector and historian with a vast collection that spans almost five decades — it’s no wonder he’s become the trusted, go-to expert for local, industry and national media outlets.

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