103 – The Status of Women in Muslim Societies with Khadija Khan

Friendly Exmuslim Podcast

For this episode, I was joined by Khadija Khan, a journalist, and commentator based in the UK. She writes for different publications focusing on human rights, women’s rights, as well as minorities, and extremism. This was an incredibly hard-hitting interview sharing the authentic experience of a woman growing up in a male-dominated society. You get to hear what it’s like to be sexually assaulted and can do nothing about it. You get to hear about the limited options given to women growing up in Pakistan and Afghanistan. You feel sad that these women never got to know what real freedom feels like.

We started off the conversation by getting a quick introduction to Khadija’s work in Pakistan and how society received her criticisms of Islam and the patriarchal hierarchy particularly when it comes to the treatment of women and other minorities. Khadija then went on to clarify who the minorities are in Pakistan and why their plight needs to be amplified by people with platforms.

She powerfully recounts her experiences of living in Pakistan as a working woman and paints the harsh reality of what this means.

The conversations then moved onto the topic of Islamic law and how it is applied to rape victims. We also discussed the societal attitudes towards rape victims and divorcees and how this perpetuates the rape culture while shielding the culprits from facing any consequences for their heinous acts.

We also discussed the move by the Taliban to replace the ministry of women’s affairs with the morality police and what this means for women’s rights in Afghanistan and the Middle East. Khadija then closed off this conversation by recounting her experience being introduced to the hijab at a much younger age.

This was such a great episode, I hope you enjoy listening!

YouTube version of this conversation: https://youtu.be/2NLidtNCwpE

Follow Khadija on twitter: https://twitter.com/KhadijaKhan__

Timestamps:

0:00 Introductions

0:48 Khadija Khan’s professional background.

3:52 Which are the minority groups in Pakistan? The importance of secularism.

11:03 The importance of allowing diversity of opinion and access to outside information to people

15:23 Humanism and enlightenment values

18:29 Khadija’s work in Pakistan and how the people reacted to her work

21:18 Moving from Pakistan to the UK and her work in the West.

24:00 Why is it Muslim minorities e.g women want to move to the west? Life of a woman in conservative Muslim societies

28:12 What is a modern woman? What is the dress code for women in Pakistan?

34:44 #Do not touch my clothes campaign.

36:50 Channel announcements

37:00 Divorce and rape laws and the societal attitude towards rape victims Pakistan and Afghanistan

48:53 How do families usually treat victims of rape?

52:20 Does the restrictions placed on dating and sexuality accessing sex help combat rape? The under-reporting of rape cases in Muslim majority countries.

1:01:17 Feminism in Islam. How Nominal Muslims and Muslims in the West shut down important discussions on human rights conditions in Muslim majority countries.

1:25:33 What is the role of women in Muslim majority countries when it comes to marriage?

1:31:12 Channel announcements

1:32:11 The Morality police.

1:40:37 Is the Taliban Islamic? How the Taliban interprets the Islamic texts

1:48:25 Toxic modesty culture.

1:53:05 Superchats and final remarks

1:54:46 Khadija’s experience being introduced to the hijab

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