EP183 Cloud Security Journeys: Improve, Evolve, Transform with Cloud Customers

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Pushing Past Stagnation & Business Plateaus 30:21

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Hitting plateaus is a common milestone in business, but there’s a difference between stability and a rut. In the last installment of this season, we’ll dive into the ways small business owners push beyond plateaus and find new ways to achieve revenue growth. Jannese and Austin wrap up their time in Nashville, Tennessee with a wonderful visit to N.B. Goods to speak with owner Camille Alston . Camille details the times where she hit a wall with profits, the strategies she implemented to increase revenue, what worked, what didn’t, and the important lessons she learned in the process. You won’t want to miss this informative final chapter! Learn more about how QuickBooks can help you grow your business: QuickBooks.com See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.…

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Jaffa Edwards, Senior Security Manager @ Google Cloud
Lyka Segura, Cloud Security Engineer @ Google Cloud

Topics:

Security transformation is hard, do you have any secret tricks or methods that actually make it happen?
Can you share a story about a time when you helped a customer transform their cloud security posture? Not just improve, but actually transform!
What is your process for understanding their needs and developing a security solution that is tailored to them? What to do if a customer does not want to share what is necessary or does not know themselves?
What are some of the most common security mistakes that you see organizations make when they move to the cloud?
What about the customers who insist on practicing in the cloud the same way they did on-premise? What do you tell the organizations that insist that “cloud is just somebody else’s computer” and they insist on doing security the old-fashioned way?
What advice would you give to organizations that are just starting out on their cloud security journey?
What are the first three cloud security steps you recommend that work for a cloud environment they inherited?

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Cloud Security Podcast by Google

EP183 Cloud Security Journeys: Improve, Evolve, Transform with Cloud Customers

Cloud Security Podcast by Google

48 subscribers

published منذ عام واحد

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Guests:

Jaffa Edwards, Senior Security Manager @ Google Cloud
Lyka Segura, Cloud Security Engineer @ Google Cloud

Topics:

Security transformation is hard, do you have any secret tricks or methods that actually make it happen?
Can you share a story about a time when you helped a customer transform their cloud security posture? Not just improve, but actually transform!
What is your process for understanding their needs and developing a security solution that is tailored to them? What to do if a customer does not want to share what is necessary or does not know themselves?
What are some of the most common security mistakes that you see organizations make when they move to the cloud?
What about the customers who insist on practicing in the cloud the same way they did on-premise? What do you tell the organizations that insist that “cloud is just somebody else’s computer” and they insist on doing security the old-fashioned way?
What advice would you give to organizations that are just starting out on their cloud security journey?
What are the first three cloud security steps you recommend that work for a cloud environment they inherited?

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Guest: Henrique Teixeira , Senior VP of Strategy, Saviynt, ex-Gartner analyst Topics: How have you seen IAM evolve over the years, especially with the shift to the cloud, and now AI? What are some of the biggest challenges and opportunities these two shifts present? ITDR (Identity Threat Detection and Response) and ISPM (Identity Security Posture Management) are emerging areas in IAM. How do you see these fitting into the overall IAM landscape? Are they truly distinct categories or just extensions of existing IAM practices? Shouldn’t ITDR just be part of your Cloud DR or maybe even your SecOps tool of choice? It seems goofy to try to stand ITDR on its own when the impact of an identity compromise is entirely a function of what that identity can access or do, no? Regarding workload vs. human identity, could you elaborate on the unique security considerations for each? How does the rise of machine identities and APIs impact IAM approaches? We had a whole episode around machine identity that involved turtles–what have you seen in the machine identity space and how have you seen users mess it up? The cybersecurity world is full of acronyms. Any tips on how to create a memorable and impactful acronym? Resources: EP166 Workload Identity, Zero Trust and SPIFFE (Also Turtles!) EP182 ITDR: The Missing Piece in Your Security Puzzle or Yet Another Tool to Buy? EP127 Is IAM Really Fun and How to Stay Ahead of the Curve in Cloud IAM? EP94 Meet Cloud Security Acronyms with Anna Belak EP162 IAM in the Cloud: What it Means to Do It 'Right' with Kat Traxler EP199 Your Cloud IAM Top Pet Peeves (and How to Fix Them) EP188 Beyond the Buzzwords: Identity's True Role in Cloud and SaaS Security “Playing to Win: How Strategy Really Works” book “Open” book…

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EP214 Reconciling the Impossible: Engineering Cloud Systems for Diverging Regulations 29:22

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EP213 From Promise to Practice: LLMs for Anomaly Detection and Real-World Cloud Security 28:01

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Guest host: Marina Kaganovich , Executive Trust Lead, Office of the CISO @ Google Cloud Guest: John Rogers , CISO @ MSCI Topics: Can you briefly walk us through your CISO career path? What are some of the key (cloud or otherwise) trends that CISOs should be keeping an eye on? What is the time frame for them? What are the biggest cloud security challenges CISOs are facing today, and how are those evolving? Given the rapid change of pace in emerging tech, such as what we’ve seen in the last year or so with gen AI, how do you balance the need to address short-term or imminent issues vs those that are long-term or emergent risks? What advice do you have for how CISOs can communicate the importance of anticipating threats to their boards and executives? So, how to be a forward looking and strategic yet not veer into dreaming, paranoia and imaginary risks? How to be futuristic yet realistic? The CISO role as an official title is a relatively new one, what steps have you taken to build credibility and position yourself for having a seat at the table? Resources: ATT&CK Framework EP189 How Google Does Security Programs at Scale: CISO Insights EP129 How CISO Cloud Dreams and Realities Collide EP104 CISO Walks Into the Cloud: And The Magic Starts to Happen! EP93 CISO Walks Into the Cloud: Frustrations, Successes, Lessons ... And Is My Data Secure?…

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EP205 Cybersecurity Forecast 2025: Beyond the Hype and into the Reality 28:19

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Guest: Andrew Kopcienski , Principal Intelligence Analyst, Google Threat Intelligence Group Questions: You have this new Cybersecurity Forecast 2025 report , what’s up with that? We are getting a bit annoyed about the fear-mongering on “oh, but attackers will use AI.” You are a threat analyst, realistically, how afraid are you of this? The report discusses the threat of compromised identities in hybrid environments (aka “no matter what you do, and where, you are hacked via AD”). What steps can organizations take to mitigate the risk of a single compromised identity leading to a significant security breach? Is this expected to continue? Is zero-day actually growing? The report seems to imply that, but aren’t “oh-days” getting more expensive every day? Many organizations still lag with detection, in your expertise, what approaches to detection actually work today? It is OK to say ”hire Managed Defense ”, BTW :-) We read the risk posed by the "Big Four" sections and they (to us) read like “hackers hack” and “APTs APT.” What is genuinely new and interesting here? Resources: Cybersecurity Forecast 2025 report Google Cloud Cybersecurity Forecast 2025 webinar EP147 Special: 2024 Security Forecast Report EP171 GenAI in the Wrong Hands: Unmasking the Threat of Malicious AI and Defending Against the Dark Side EP153 Kevin Mandia on Cloud Breaches: New Threat Actors, Old Mistakes, and Lessons for All Staying a Step Ahead: Mitigating the DPRK IT Worker Threat…

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EP204 Beyond PCAST: Phil Venables on the Future of Resilience and Leading Indicators 30:32

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Guest: Phil Venables , Vice President, Chief Information Security Officer (CISO) @ Google Cloud Topics Why is our industry suddenly obsessed with resilience? Is this ransomware’s doing? How did the PCAST report come to be? Can you share the backstory and how it was created? The PCAST report emphasizes the importance of leading indicators for security and resilience. How can organizations effectively shift their focus from lagging indicators to these leading indicators? The report also emphasizes the importance of "Cyber-Physical Modularity" - this sounds mysterious to us, and probably our listeners! What is it and how does this concept contribute to enhancing the resilience of critical infrastructure? The report advocates for regular and rigorous stress testing. How can organizations effectively implement such stress testing to identify vulnerabilities and improve their resilience? In your opinion, what are the most critical takeaways from our PCAST-related paper for organizations looking to improve their security and resilience posture today? What are some of the challenges organizations might face when implementing the PCAST recommendations, and how can they overcome these challenges? Do organizations get resilience benefits “for free” by using Google Cloud? Resources: 10 ways to make cyber-physical systems more resilient “Cyber-Physical Resilience and the Cloud: Putting the White House PCAST report into practice” report Megatrends drive cloud adoption—and improve security for all EP163 Cloud Security Megatrends: Myths, Realities, Contentious Debates and Of Course AI Advising The President On Cyber-Physical Resilience - Philip Venables (at PSW) EP201 Every CTO Should Be a CSTO (Or Else!) - Transformation Lessons from The Hoff EP171 GenAI in the Wrong Hands: Unmasking the Threat of Malicious AI and Defending Against the Dark Side…

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EP202 Beyond Tiered SOCs: Detection as Code and the Rise of Response Engineering 37:09

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EP201 Every CTO Should Be a CSTO (Or Else!) - Transformation Lessons from The Hoff 36:57

منذ 20 weeks36:57

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Guest: Chris Hoff , Chief Secure Technology Officer at Last Pass Topics: I learned that you have a really cool title that feels very “now” - Chief Secure Technology Officer? What’s the story here? Weirdly, I now feel that every CTO better be a CSTO or quit their job :-) After, ahem, not-so-recent events you had a chance to rebuild a lot of your stack, and in the process improve security. Can you share how it went, and what security capabilities are now built in? How much of a culture change did that require? Was it purely a technological transformation or you had to change what people do and how they do it? Would you recommend this to others (not the “recent events experience”, but the rebuild approach)? What benefits come from doing this before an incident occurs? Are there any? How are you handling telemetry collection and observability for security in the new stack? I am curious how this was modernized Cloud is simple , yet also complex, I think you called it “simplex.” How does this concept work? Resources: Video ( LinkedIn , YouTube ) EP189 How Google Does Security Programs at Scale: CISO Insights EP104 CISO Walks Into the Cloud: And The Magic Starts to Happen! EP80 CISO Walks Into the Cloud: Frustrations, Successes, Lessons ... And Does the Risk Change? EP93 CISO Walks Into the Cloud: Frustrations, Successes, Lessons ... And Is My Data Secure?…

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EP200 Zero Touch Prod, Security Rings, and Foundational Services: How Google Does Workload Security 27:38

منذ 21 weeks27:38

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Guest: Michael Czapinski , Security & Reliability Enthusiast, Google Topics: “How Google protects its production services” paper covers how Google's infrastructure balances several crucial aspects, including security, reliability, development speed, and maintainability. How do you prioritize these competing demands in a real-world setting? What attack vectors do you consider most critical in the production environment, and how has Google’s defenses against these vectors improved over time? Can you elaborate on the concept of Foundational services and their significance in Google's security posture? How does your security approach adapt to this vast spectrum of sensitivity and purpose of our servers and services, actually? How do you implement this principle of zero touch prod for both human and service accounts within our complex infrastructure? Can you talk us through the broader approach you take through Workload Security Rings and how this helps? Resources: “How Google protects its production services” paper (deep!) SLSA framework EP189 How Google Does Security Programs at Scale: CISO Insights EP109 How Google Does Vulnerability Management: The Not So Secret Secrets! EP176 Google on Google Cloud: How Google Secures Its Own Cloud Use EP75 How We Scale Detection and Response at Google: Automation, Metrics, Toil SREcon presentation on zero touch prod. The SRS book (free access)…

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EP199 Your Cloud IAM Top Pet Peeves (and How to Fix Them) 29:26

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Guests: Michele Chubirka , Staff Cloud Security Advocate, Google Cloud Sita Lakshmi Sangameswaran , Senior Developer Relations Engineer, Google Cloud Topics: What is your reaction to “in the cloud you are one IAM mistake away from a breach”? Do you like it or do you hate it? Or do you "it depends" it? :-) Everyone's talking about how "identity is the new perimeter" in the cloud. Can you break that down in simple terms? A lot of people say “in the cloud, you must do IAM ‘right’”. What do you think that means? What is the first or the main idea that comes to your mind when you hear it? What’s this stuff about least-privilege and separation-of-duties being less relevant? Why do they matter in the cloud that changes rapidly? What are your IAM Top Pet Peeves? Resources: Video ( LinkedIn , YouTube ) EP127 Is IAM Really Fun and How to Stay Ahead of the Curve in Cloud IAM? EP162 IAM in the Cloud: What it Means to Do It 'Right' with Kat Traxler IAM: There and back again using resource hierarchies IAM so lost: A guide to identity in Google Cloud I Hate IAM: but I need it desperately EP33 Cloud Migrations: Security Perspectives from The Field EP176 Google on Google Cloud: How Google Secures Its Own Cloud Use EP177 Cloud Incident Confessions: Top 5 Mistakes Leading to Breaches from Mandiant EP188 Beyond the Buzzwords: Identity's True Role in Cloud and SaaS Security “Identity Crisis: The Biggest Prize in Security” paper “Learn to love IAM: The most important step in securing your cloud infrastructure“ Next presentation…

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EP198 GenAI Security: Unseen Attack Surfaces & AI Pentesting Lessons 27:22

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Guests: Ante Gojsalic , Co-Founder & CTO at SplxAI Topics: What are some of the unique challenges in securing GenAI applications compared to traditional apps? What current attack surfaces are most concerning for GenAI apps, and how do you see these evolving in the future? Do you have your very own list of top 5 GenAI threats? Everybody seem to! What are the most common security mistakes you see clients make with GenAI? Can you explain the main goals when trying to add automation to pentesting for next-gen GenAI apps? What are your AI testing lessons from clients so far? Resources: EP171 GenAI in the Wrong Hands: Unmasking the Threat of Malicious AI and Defending Against the Dark Side EP135 AI and Security: The Good, the Bad, and the Magical EP185 SAIF-powered Collaboration to Secure AI: CoSAI and Why It Matters to You SAIF.google Next SAIF presentation with top 5 AI security issues Our Security of AI Papers and Blogs Explained…

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EP197 SIEM (Decoupled or Not), and Security Data Lakes: A Google SecOps Perspective 29:34

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Guest: Travis Lanham , Uber Tech Lead (UTL) for Security Operations Engineering, Google Cloud Topics: There’s been a ton of discussion in the wake of the three SIEM week about the future of SIEM-like products. We saw a lot of takes on how this augurs the future of disassembled or decoupled SIEMs . Can you explain what these disassembled SIEMs are all about? What are the expected upsides of detaching your SIEM interface and security capabilities from your data backend? Tell us about the early days of SecOps (nee Chronicle) and why we didn’t go with this approach? What are the upsides of a tightly coupled datastore + security experience for a SIEM? Are there more risks or negatives of the decoupled/decentralized approach? Complexity and the need to assemble “at home” are on the list, right? One of the 50 things Google knew to be true back in the day was that product innovation comes from technical innovation, what’s the technical innovation driving decoupled SIEMs? So what about those security data lakes? Any insights? Resources: EP139 What is Chronicle? Beyond XDR and into the Next Generation of Security Operations EP190 Unraveling the Security Data Fabric: Need, Benefits, and Futures EP184 One Week SIEM Migration: Fact or Fiction? Hacking Google video series Decoupled SIEM: Brilliant or …. Not :-) UNC5537 Targets Snowflake Customer Instances for Data Theft and Extortion So, Why Did I Join Chronicle Security? (2019)…

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EP196 AI+TI: What Happens When Two Intelligences Meet? 28:08

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Guest: Vijay Ganti , Director of Product Management, Google Cloud Security Topics: What have been the biggest pain points for organizations trying to use threat intelligence (TI)? Why has it been so difficult to convert threat knowledge into effective security measures in the past? In the realm of AI, there's often hype (and people who assume “it’s all hype”). What's genuinely different about AI now, particularly in the context of threat intelligence? Can you explain the concept of "AI-driven operationalization" in Google TI? How does it work in practice? What's the balance between human expertise and AI in the TI process? Are there specific areas where you see the balance between human and AI involvement shifting in a few years? Google Threat Intelligence aims to be different. Why are we better from client PoV? Resources: Google Threat Intel website “Future of Brain” book by Gary Marcus et al Detection engineering blog (Part 9) and the series Detect engineering blogs by David French The pyramid of pain blog , the classic “Scaling Up Malware Analysis with Gemini 1.5 Flash” and “From Assistant to Analyst: The Power of Gemini 1.5 Pro for Malware Analysis” blogs on Gemini for security…

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EP195 Containers vs. VMs: The Security Showdown! 41:16

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Cross-over hosts: Kaslin Fields , co-host at Kubernetes Podcast Abdel Sghiouar , co-host at Kubernetes Podcast Guest: Michele Chubirka , Cloud Security Advocate, Google Cloud Topics: How would you approach answering the question ”what is more secure, container or a virtual machine (VM)?” Could you elaborate on the real-world implications of this for security, and perhaps provide some examples of when one might be a more suitable choice than the other? While containers boast a smaller attack surface (what about the orchestrator though?), VMs present a full operating system. How should organizations weigh these factors against each other? The speed of patching and updates is a clear advantage of containers. How significant is this in the context of today's rapidly evolving threat landscape? Are there any strategies organizations can employ to mitigate the slower update cycles associated with VMs? Both containers and VMs can be susceptible to misconfigurations, but container orchestration systems introduce another layer of complexity. How can organizations address this complexity and minimize the risk of misconfigurations leading to security vulnerabilities? What about combining containers and VMs. Can you provide some concrete examples of how this might be implemented? What benefits can organizations expect from such an approach, and what challenges might they face? How do you envision the security landscape for containers and VMs evolving in the coming years? Are there any emerging trends or technologies that could significantly impact the way we approach security for these two technologies? Resources: Container Security, with Michele Chubrika (the same episode - with extras! - at our peer podcast, “Kubernetes Podcast from Google” ) EP105 Security Architect View: Cloud Migration Successes, Failures and Lessons EP54 Container Security: The Past or The Future? DORA 2024 report Container Security: It’s All About the Supply Chain - Michele Chubirka Software composition analysis (SCA) DevSecOps Decisioning Principles Kubernetes CIS Benchmark Cloud-Native Consumption Principles State of WebAssembly outside the Browser - Abdel Sghiouar Why Perfect Compliance Is the Enemy of Good Kubernetes Security - Michele Chubirka - KubeCon NA 2024…

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EP194 Deep Dive into ADR - Application Detection and Response 30:55

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Guest: Daniel Shechter , Co-Founder and CEO at Miggo Security Topics: Why do we need Application Detection and Response (ADR)? BTW, how do you define it? Isn’t ADR a subset of CDR (for cloud)? What is the key difference that sets ADR apart from traditional EDR and CDR tools? Why can’t I just send my application data - or eBPF traces - to my SIEM and achieve the goals of ADR that way? We had RASP and it failed due to instrumentation complexities. How does an ADR solution address these challenges and make it easier for security teams to adopt and implement? What are the key inputs into an ADR tool? Can you explain how your ADR correlates cloud, container, and application contexts to provide a better view of threats? Could you share real-world examples of types of badness solved for users? How would ADR work with other application security technologies like DAST/SAST, WAF and ASPM? What are your thoughts on the evolution of ADR? Resources: EP157 Decoding CDR & CIRA: What Happens When SecOps Meets Cloud EP143 Cloud Security Remediation: The Biggest Headache? Miggo research re: vulnerability ALBeast “WhatDR or What Detection Domain Needs Its Own Tools?” blog “Making Sense of the Application Security Product Market” blog “Effective Vulnerability Management: Managing Risk in the Vulnerable Digital Ecosystem“ book…

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EP193 Inherited a Cloud? Now What? How Do I Secure It? 30:41

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Guests: Taylor Lehmann , Director at Office of the CISO, Google Cloud Luis Urena , Cloud Security Architect, Google Cloud Topics There is a common scenario where security teams are brought in after a cloud environment is already established . From your experience, how does this late involvement typically impact the organization's security posture and what are the immediate risks they face? Upon hearing this, many experts suggest that “burn the environment with fire” or “nuke it from orbit” are the only feasible approaches? What is your take on that suggestion? On the opposite side, what if business demands you don't touch anything but “make it secure” regardless? Could you walk us through some of the first critical steps you do after “inheriting a cloud” and why they are prioritized in this way? Why not just say “add MFA everywhere”? What may or will blow up? We also say “address overly permissive users and roles” and this sounds valuable, but also tricky. How do we go about it? What are the chances that the environment is in fact compromised already? When is Compromise Assessment the right call, it does cost money, right? How do you balance your team’s current priorities when you’ve just adopted an insecure cloud environment. How do you make tradeoffs among your existing stack and this new one? Resources: “Confetti cannons or fire extinguishers? Here’s how to secure cloud surprises” EP179 Teamwork Under Stress: Expedition Behavior in Cybersecurity Incident Response IAM Recommender “TM" book by Adam Shostack “Checklist Manifesto” book “Moving shields into position: How you can organize security to boost digital transformation” (with a new paper!)…

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EP192 Confidential + AI: Can AI Keep a Secret? 33:04

منذ 29 weeks33:04

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Guest: Nelly Porter , Director of PM, Cloud Security at Google Cloud Topics: Share your story and how you ended here doing confidential AI at Google? What problem does confidential compute + AI solve and for what clients? What are some specific real-world applications or use cases where you see the combination of AI and confidential computing making the most significant impact? What about AI in confidential vs AI on prem? Should those people just do on-prem AI instead? Which parts of the AI lifecycle need to be run in Confidential AI: Training? Data curation? Operational workloads? What are the performance (and thus cost) implications of running AI workloads in a confidential computing environment? Are there new risks that arise out of confidential AI? Resources: Video EP48 Confidentially Speaking 2: Cloudful of Secrets EP1 Confidentially Speaking “To securely build AI on Google Cloud, follow these best practices“ blog ( paper )…

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EP191 Why Aren't More Defenders Winning? Defender’s Advantage and How to Gain it! 23:36

منذ 30 weeks23:36

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Guest: Dan Nutting , Manager - Cyber Defense, Google Cloud Topics: What is the Defender’s Advantage and why did Mandiant decide to put this out there? This is the second edition. What is different about DA-II? Why do so few defenders actually realize their Defender’s Advantage? The book talks about the importance of being "intelligence-led" in cyber defense. Can you elaborate on what this means and how organizations can practically implement this approach? Detection engineering is presented as a continuous cycle of adaptation. How can organizations ensure their detection capabilities remain effective and avoid fatigue in their SOC? Many organizations don’t seem to want to make detections at all, what do we tell them? What is this thing called “Mission Control”- it sounds really cool, can you explain it? Resources: Defender’s Advantage book The Defender's Advantage: Using Artificial Intelligence in Cyber Defense supplemental paper “Threat-informed Defense Is Hard, So We Are Still Not Doing It!” blog Mandiant blog…

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EP190 Unraveling the Security Data Fabric: Need, Benefits, and Futures 30:00

منذ 31 weeks30:00

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Guest: Josh Liburdi , Staff Security Engineer, Brex Topics: What is this “security data fabric”? Can you explain the technology? Is there a market for this? Is this same as security data pipelines? Why is this really needed? Won’t your SIEM vendor do it? Who should adopt it? Or, as Tim says, what gets better once you deploy it? Is reducing cost a big part of the security data fabric story? Does the data quality improve with the use of security data fabric tooling? For organizations considering a security data fabric solution, what key factors should they prioritize in their evaluation and selection process? What is the connection between this and federated security data search ? What is the likely future for this technology? Resources: BSidesSF 2024 - Reinventing ETL for Detection and Response Teams (Josh Liburdi) “How to Build Your Own Security Data Pipeline (and why you shouldn’t!)” blog “Decoupled SIEM: Brilliant or Stupid?” blog “Security Correlation Then and Now: A Sad Truth About SIEM” blog (my #1 popular post BTW) “Log Centralization: The End Is Nigh?” blog “20 Years of SIEM: Celebrating My Dubious Anniversary” blog “Navigating the data current: Exploring Cribl.Cloud analytics and customer insights” report OCSF…

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